Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

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Boris Johnson say that the odds of a no deal Brexit have shortened from a million to one to "touch and go" and of course it's all the EU's fault :rolleyes:

Boris Johnson has said the chances of a Brexit deal are "touch and go" - having previously said the odds of a no-deal Brexit were "a million to one".

In a BBC interview at the G7 summit in France, he said it "all depends on our EU friends and partners".
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/49465298
 
Apparently the trade deal with the USA is all done and will be signed by the end of the month!
 
BobTheCoward said:
That still doesn't answer why parliament allows the prime minister to request it even when it is against parliament's will.
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You should note the formalities of the ceremony. The Commons doesn't prorogue parliament. Its is not required to vote for it or against it. The Queen does it through a commission of the Lords, and the Commons is summoned by Black Rod to be informed of it in the Lords chamber.

These archaisms clearly indicate prorogation's origin in royal prerogative, and they constitute yet another argument for the abolition of the Crown, or at least for its complete removal from every aspect of the Parliamentary process.
 
Craig B said:
You should note the formalities of the ceremony. The Commons doesn't prorogue parliament. Its is not required to vote for it or against it. The Queen does it through a commission of the Lords, and the Commons is summoned by Black Rod to be informed of it in the Lords chamber.

These archaisms clearly indicate prorogation's origin in royal prerogative, and they constitute yet another argument for the abolition of the Crown, or at least for its complete removal from every aspect of the Parliamentary process.
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On Wikipedia it says this

In 1997, the then prime minister, and leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party, John Major controversially prorogued parliament at a time that avoided parliamentary debate of the Parliamentary Commissioner's report on the Cash-for-questions affair.[12][13] On that occasion, the prorogation was on Friday, 21 March,[14] and was followed by a general election in May, resulting in a change of government to Labour led by Tony Blair.
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That says the prime Minister did it. How does that work in the context of a commission of the Lords?
 
One would suggest if you want to learn about the British constitution you go to a different thread where your enquires would be on topic.
 
BobTheCoward said:
On Wikipedia it says this



That says the prime Minister did it. How does that work in the context of a commission of the Lords?
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This was admittedly controversial and was followed by an Election. But the question was raised why such a procedure came to exist at all, and evidence indicates that it was invented by monarchs. True it is that PMs now "advise" the Queen in matters of royal prerogative; but I still think that the Crown should cease to be used as cover for the misdeeds of the Executive. Prime Ministers may not have invented the procedure, but they will certainly use it whenever it may be expedient, and might reasonably be discouraged from doing so.
 
Craig B said:
This was admittedly controversial and was followed by an Election. But the question was raised why such a procedure came to exist at all, and evidence indicates that it was invented by monarchs. True it is that PMs now "advise" the Queen in matters of royal prerogative; but I still think that the Crown should cease to be used as cover for the misdeeds of the Executive. Prime Ministers may not have invented the procedure, but they will certainly use it whenever it may be expedient, and might reasonably be discouraged from doing so.
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Next question is about parliamentary sovereignty? Does parliament have the power to restrict the PM's ability to advise the queen?
 
Giordano said:
Again I am an outsider but, from my perspective in the USA, just the discussions of the backspot by the UK leadership would royally piss me off if I was a citizen of the Irish Republic.
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There is mild amusement to be found in the deflation if the last of the imperial delusion as the Brits flail around, demonstrating beyond any doubt their impotence and incompetence.The
Plus the rest of Europe can now get on with building a better society sans their whining and knuckle dragging.
 
Lothian said:
Calm down. We are not in 북한.
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:D
Give it fifteen years and the comparison might be accurate.

a_unique_person said:
Boris is seeking legal advice for a plan to prorogued Parliament prior to the Brexit deadline. A tactic that worked wonderfully on Australia recently. Is there a danger that Parliament might not vote the way you want? Just shut it down. Democracy on action.
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Can anyone say "democratic deficit"?
 
Craig B said:
it is there because the monarch wanted it to be there, and it is still enacted as a royal ceremony. See https://www.parliament.uk/about/liv...ceremonies/overview/prorogation1/prorogation/
The ceremony today begins with an announcement, on behalf of the Queen, read in the House of Lords by the Leader of the House. The announcement states, ‘My Lords, it not being convenient for Her Majesty personally to be present here this day, she has been pleased to cause a Commission under the Great Seal to be prepared for proroguing this present Parliament.’

A Royal Commission consisting of five Peers, all Privy Councillors, appointed by the Queen enter the Chamber, and instruct Black Rod to summon the House of Commons, which he does.​
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In Ye Olde Days he'd come along personally to tell them. I blame Vicky.
 
Nessie said:
Meanwhile, a guaranteed way to cause trouble...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...rthern-ireland-border-backstop-british-police

"BRITISH POLICE officers could be deployed from English forces to Northern Ireland in the event of a no deal Brexit to patrol the border in case of a “highly possible” attack."

It has also been reported in other newspapers (but behind paywalls) that the British police will patrol the border. I find that hard to believe. They may be used to assist PSNI, as has happened before. But putting some British cops at the border doing checks, how provocative is that!?!
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IIRR it happened on a small scale in the seventies, certainly it was proposed. It's a vastly better option that troops and the cops would likely be less unpopular, biased and corrupt than the PSNI.
Deploy troops and there will be deaths within a week.
 
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