Telekinesis

[Pup]

Hee hee, I started imagining what a great video this would make, of a guy dressed up in the padded suit at an attack dog school, and he's out on an open lawn and someone releases a pack of dogs, who just come barrelling at him, knock him down, and start gnawing on his arm.

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much better to let it free, and there's a definite end to the test when the dog starts chewing on the applicant's foot. Otherwise, he'll stand there all day trying to mentally push the dog back on the chain.

Definitely! I'd love to see this test happen. Too bad it won't.

The anger issue seems easy to overcome. The applicant has said that any Doberman will do, and the dog can be trained, so why not just say that the dog must be trained.

 

[ObscureReferenceMan]

C'mon guys and gals, play nice!

thelight - A few problems with your protocol, and some serious questions...
1) To clarify - 30 meter distance, 20 meter chain. You'll have to repel the dog prior to the 20 meter distance. Do your powers work from 10 meters away? You should agree to this up front.
2) I would change the chain length and the distance to you for each trial. That way the dog won't become accustomed to one length (i.e. realize that if he travels 10 meters, he'll be choked).
3) How will you ensure the dog is properly "angry"? If you are attacked, and DON'T repel the dog, will you claim "the dog wasn't angry"? It is my understanding that trained attack dogs are not "angry" when attacking, merely following their training (and can actually be "happy" when performing their duties).
4) This whole test might be moot because of the possible danger of the claimant being injured.

Can you relate to us some time this power has worked? As a "martial artist" (I hate that term - sounds like I should be fighting with a brush, or handful of clay), I have heard some weird claims about people's "ki force". As far as I can tell, people are simply deluding themselves of their sensei's power. But you may be legitimate. I'd love to see it demonstrated.

 

[Gr8wight]

Assuming he has correct understanding of the ability, there is a positive test to check if the dog is actually angry. If the dog is thrown back, then it was angry.

If the dog is NOT thrown back, then there are a number of possible reasons. Hopefully, should this be the result of his self-test, he will address each of these possibilities with equal concern.

The whole anger thing is the built-in excuse these crazies bring to the table. If they fail to repel you, it's your fault, because you were not adequately angry.

 

[petre]

The whole anger thing is the built-in excuse these crazies bring to the table. If they fail to repel you, it's your fault, because you were not adequately angry.

He's not looking to fail the test, that would be just silly and a waste of time. That's why he's going to perform self-tests to ensure all such potential issues are addressed before applying. He's probably busy getting it working now, and will return once he has a repeatable demonstration.

 

[Francois Tremblay]

He's not looking to fail the test, that would be just silly and a waste of time. That's why he's going to perform self-tests to ensure all such potential issues are addressed before applying. He's probably busy getting it working now, and will return once he has a repeatable demonstration.

And then the Moon will crash into the Sun.

 

[petre]

And then the Moon will crash into the Sun.

Unless it is angry

 

[Gr8wight]

He's not looking to fail the test, that would be just silly and a waste of time. That's why he's going to perform self-tests to ensure all such potential issues are addressed before applying. He's probably busy getting it working now, and will return once he has a repeatable demonstration.

Your confidence in him is commendable.

or

Your cynicism knows no bounds.

Either way, no matter how much belief these people seem to have on the surface, deep inside, they know they cannot really do what they say. Why else would they have pre-prepared excuses ready?

 

[Jyera]

C'mon guys and gals, play nice!
...snipe...

I agree with ObscureReferenceMan and others, that we should try to be nice to potential challenger for the Jref Million. A trivial claim to special power on other thread could be mocked at, but not in this thread.

From a "Business-Customer" point of view, every potential challenger is a "customer". They add to the statistics. We should encourage as many to file an application. Encourage as many to do their own self-test and report on failure and success. We should treat them nicely.

If they self-trialed and failed, and find it comfortable enough to post their failure here, it would be a great success to the community here.

They would go away impressed by JREF Challenge as an icon of learning and "enlightenment", rather than an icon of mockery.

 

[thelight]

We did a test run on a German Sheperd dog belonging to a friend's friend who is a police. the police guy also lent us protective gears (for quite a fee!).

We set up in my friend's training school. No muzzles (can't find one). Just chains and protectve gears.

I did a couple of runs and succeeded to deflect (not push backwards) 2 times out of 13. I'm not counting when the dog is just barking, but not attacking. Our police friend uses hand command to the dog but several times the dog just barked. The police said I succeeded just once (again this is arguable).

Btw, the dog is not injured at all as we used soft leather on the neck.

My more "powerful" friend succeded in 1 deflect and 1 repel (the dog pushed backwards) out of 18 or 19 runs. He claimed that German Sheperd is not "emotional" enough. We really need to find a trained doberman!


As for the protocol, here's my adjustment based on everyone's input.


1. No chains. Just muzzles.
2. We will not claim the dog of not being angry if it actually attacks.
3. The dog used will be a trained dog.

With more intense training, I think I could make a successful 2 deflects out of 10 runs. I hope this is an acceptable statistics to the JREF team.

As for Yellow Bamboo, I just learned what it is from my friend. Basically there are a gazzilion other camps doing similar things, with the most famous ones being Merpati Putih (White Dove) and Satria Nusantara (Knight of the Archipelago).

All of these camps are basically the same. The training is all based on breathing technique and meditation.

 

[gnome]

We did a test run on a German Sheperd dog belonging to a friend's friend who is a police. the police guy also lent us protective gears (for quite a fee!).

We set up in my friend's training school. No muzzles (can't find one). Just chains and protectve gears.

I did a couple of runs and succeeded to deflect (not push backwards) 2 times out of 13. I'm not counting when the dog is just barking, but not attacking. Our police friend uses hand command to the dog but several times the dog just barked. The police said I succeeded just once (again this is arguable).

Btw, the dog is not injured at all as we used soft leather on the neck.

My more "powerful" friend succeded in 1 deflect and 1 repel (the dog pushed backwards) out of 18 or 19 runs. He claimed that German Sheperd is not "emotional" enough. We really need to find a trained doberman!


As for the protocol, here's my adjustment based on everyone's input.


1. No chains. Just muzzles.
2. We will not claim the dog of not being angry if it actually attacks.
3. The dog used will be a trained dog.

With more intense training, I think I could make a successful 2 deflects out of 10 runs. I hope this is an acceptable statistics to the JREF team.

As for Yellow Bamboo, I just learned what it is from my friend. Basically there are a gazzilion other camps doing similar things, with the most famous ones being Merpati Putih (White Dove) and Satria Nusantara (Knight of the Archipelago).

All of these camps are basically the same. The training is all based on breathing technique and meditation.

I have a concern...does the dog physically push back, or are the movements consistent with the dog deciding to abort the attack? The results have to be clear enough that no judging would be required, and I sense the possibility of some confusion here.

 

[AnotherSillyAlias]

With more intense training, I think I could make a successful 2 deflects out of 10 runs. I hope this is an acceptable statistics to the JREF team.

Are you saying that if the dog fails to attack you 2 times out of 10 "runs" that this means you have special powers? (Just making sure I understand you here.)

Well, if so, nope, won't wash. I've got 15 years of teaching people to train dogs and I can tell you that sometimes they will follow through with threat postures and sometimes not. No special powers involved.

 

[hellaeon]

You cannot be serious thelight.



This is silly.

Please step outside yourself and read what you are claiming.

You think you have some incredible undiscovered power only known to those who grew up on Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat. Your saying things that imply you physically alter motion through an unseen force which has been tapped into by yourself and your friend.

Ever thought maybe by suddenly sticking your hands up at someone or an animal who's trajectory is towards you at some speed and startling them has the same effect you believe your creating via some amazing enlightened power ????

I can do the same to my friends if they run at me and I raise my hands suddenly...they will naturally go on a slight defensive and likely duck down (and tackle me) or run to the side to avoid any collision....this is absurd to even have to explain such obvious body language.

"...Btw, the dog is not injured at all as we used soft leather on the neck..."

From this I gather your actually physically stopping the dog?

Im sure if you practice enough a blue misty energy force will appear between you and the target and you may even hear someone in a dark evil voice say "knockout"..I mean come on...

please.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

He's not looking to fail the test, that would be just silly and a waste of time. That's why he's going to perform self-tests to ensure all such potential issues are addressed before applying. He's probably busy getting it working now, and will return once he has a repeatable demonstration.

This dry wit would suffice to go down as "Oscar Wilde Grade".

Excellently worded, my good chum.

 

[ObscureReferenceMan]

My more "powerful" friend succeded in 1 deflect and 1 repel (the dog pushed backwards) out of 18 or 19 runs. He claimed that German Sheperd is not "emotional" enough. We really need to find a trained doberman!

Just curious... How does your friend know the dog was not "emotional" enough? Seems inconsistent with your how you responded before:

1. No chains. Just muzzles.
2. We will not claim the dog of not being angry if it actually attacks.
3. The dog used will be a trained dog.

Seems a little fishy to me...

 

[GzuzKryzt]

We did a test run on a German Sheperd dog belonging to a friend's friend who is a police.
...

I did a couple of runs and succeeded to deflect (not push backwards) 2 times out of 13. I'm not counting when the dog is just barking, but not attacking. Our police friend uses hand command to the dog but several times the dog just barked. The police said I succeeded just once (again this is arguable).
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My more "powerful" friend succeded in 1 deflect and 1 repel (the dog pushed backwards) out of 18 or 19 runs. He claimed that German Sheperd is not "emotional" enough. We really need to find a trained doberman!

At this point I politely refer you to post #58 and, politely, dare you to answer the questions. Please.

First and foremost: How does the anger of your "opponent" affect your "ability"?

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With more intense training, I think I could make a successful 2 deflects out of 10 runs. I hope this is an acceptable statistics to the JREF team.
...

Given my experience with the preliminary test requirements I propose you make it at least 7 out of 10.
For the final test you will almost assuredly have to do 9 / 10 or even 10 /10.



Your 2 out of 13, dude, even Shaq shoots better from the stripe - and he suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.

 

[eri]

But the dog DID attack you, thus it was angry enough for your protocal. And you only managed 1/2 out of 13? I suppose the deciding factor may not be how many times the dog doesn't attack or aborts the attack, but how the dog is actually repelled from you. If it's just dodging to the side, there's really nothing paranormal you can say about it.

As far as your friend goes, it seems his stats aren't any better than yours (or possibly worse). Were his trials any more convincing?

 

[thelight]

The angrier the attacker, the more forceful is the repelling force, given the same amount of "effort". This ability can be developed by ANYBODY through continued breathing exercises. Results vary depending on each person.

The routinity in my life is not in the form of repelling people. The breathing exercise actually "opens" the energy from within. The application of this energy is as wide as we can be creative. I sometimes use it to break hard objects (e.g. thick bricks) when I do training with my friends. A friend of mine can break a steel rod using a piece of cloth by using this force. Another person can transmit images using telepathy (but the images is limited to plain colors only).

Repelling without touching is the hardest because the attacker needs to be genuinely and intensely angry.

Using dogs as the attacker has its disadvantage, because people could argue that dogs can be trained to suddenly change its trajectory upon our signal. The best demonstration would be to use a man as the attacker using the flying kick technique. Noone can change trajectory (especially 180 degrees) in mid air during a flying kick! But the problem is, its hard to make someone genuinely and intensely angry with you, unless of course you do something horrible to him first (e.g. raping his daughter, pardon my language).

I'm trying to consolidate the final test protocol, hopefully all of my friends in this forum could provide more tips (some already give good ones). After that, I'm ready to make Mr. Randi a million bucks poorer.

Just curious though, what if somebody else managed to snatch the 1 million dollars before me? Would there still be another 1 million to fight for? I saw this very interesting thread on someone who could call UFOs and he seems sincerely confident.

 

[Ducky]

No worries, thelight, the 1 million has not been snatched up, and I would suggest you apply with Kramer and set up a test protocol. please make sure you read all of the challenge rules, and FAQ links to which can be found on the main page at www.randi.org.

 

[thelight]

The angrier the attacker, the more forceful is the repelling force, given the same amount of "effort". This ability can be developed by ANYBODY through continued breathing exercises. Results vary depending on each person.

The routinity in my life is not in the form of repelling people. The breathing exercise actually "opens" the energy from within. The application of this energy is as wide as we can be creative. I sometimes use it to break hard objects (e.g. thick bricks) when I do training with my friends. A friend of mine can break a steel rod using a piece of cloth by using this force. Another person can transmit images using telepathy (but the images is limited to plain colors only).

Repelling without touching is the hardest because the attacker needs to be genuinely and intensely angry.

Using dogs as the attacker has its disadvantage, because people could argue that dogs can be trained to suddenly change its trajectory upon our signal. The best demonstration would be to use a man as the attacker using the flying kick technique. Noone can change trajectory (especially 180 degrees) in mid air during a flying kick! But the problem is, its hard to make someone genuinely and intensely angry with you, unless of course you do something horrible to him first (e.g. raping his daughter, pardon my language).

I'm trying to consolidate the final test protocol, hopefully all of my friends in this forum could provide more tips (some already give good ones). After that, I'm ready to make Mr. Randi a million bucks poorer.

Just curious though, what if somebody else managed to snatch the 1 million dollars before me? Would there still be another 1 million to fight for? I saw this very interesting thread on someone who could call UFOs and he seems sincerely confident.

 

[steenkh]

thelight,

Why is anger of such importance to your ability? If you can send telepathic force to stop an angry attacker why can't it stop any other kind of attacker? To most here it sounds like an "out", because there is no way at all to measure anger, and you will always have the excuse that the dog was not angry enough.

It is laudable that for the test you will accept that the dog was angry if it actually attacks, but inside yourself you will use this excuse to explain your failure.

You "succeeded" two times out of 13 and your more powerful succeeded two times out of 19. You actually had a better successrate than he had. Why do you regard him as more powerful? If he really is, but got worse results than you, it could be because there is always a successrate of about 2 out of about 15, no matter if one uses "power" or not. Perhaps you should find somebody who does not have the "power", and let him/her do 20 trials. If he/her has the same successrate, there probably is not such a thing as this "power".