Telekinesis

thelight said:
Patience my friends, I AM applying. I just want to start on the right foot. And as I mentioned before, I’m a regular guy who needs to go to work everyday and get shouted by the boss at work. So I only have a couple of hours during the weekend to prepare this. I’m not ready to leave my current job even in the eve of the chance to make a million bucks (less travel expenses for Mr. Randi’s boys).

I still need to ask some questions:

1. The affidavits aren’t required until they are asked for, right? This would be a great relief because the cost for notarizing is higher than I had expected (and the notary asks a lot of questions too!).
2. If we are responsible for the JREF team’s expenses, how many people would come? Does it mean I pay all expenses, including return flight ticket, accommodation (5-star hotel or would a standard hotel do?), local transportation, meals etc?
3. My guess is that my total expenses could add up to 5% of the total prize money (a large amount by Indonesian standards), coz there would be 2 events for the demonstration. And there’s a chance that the process terminated mid way on grounds that “both parties can’t come to a mutually-agreed protocol”, or “the applicant behaved in a manner unacceptable to the JREF team”.
4. As I have previously asked, how do I get in touch with this KRAMER guy? I think I also read in one of the threads that JREF decided that he will no longer respond to any inquiries, is this true?
5. All documents are to be sent to the following address, right?

James Randi Educational Foundation
201 S.E. 12th Street
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316-1815 U.S.A.

6. I read in the thread somewhere that an Indonesian team once attempted to become an applicant. What was it they were planning to demonstrate? What happened? How were they declared fail?

Thank you guys.
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1. True. Prepare yourself, however, to the JREF's demand of said affidavits.

2. and 3. As mentioned in the "hidden fees" thread, the JREF and the people who will test you do not have any intent to hinder a possible test by presenting ridiculous charges.
However, a definite list of expenses will only get determined when the JREF and you work out a protocol.
For that to happen, you have to APPLY FIRST.

4. and 5. Send your notaized application to the address listed here:

http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html

Provide your home and e-mail address. See:

http://www.randi.org/research/faq.html#4.1

6. Someone else probably has more capability to answer this.



APPLY!



thelight said:
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Yes Mr. Randi, please liquidate all the bonds into cash, because I will soon win the prize.

Yes, I will win the prize!
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And now you wo(o)rry about expenses...you make me smile.



APPLY! NOW!
 
thelight said:
2. If we are responsible for the JREF team’s expenses, how many people would come? Does it mean I pay all expenses, including return flight ticket, accommodation (5-star hotel or would a standard hotel do?), local transportation, meals etc?
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The normal proceudre for JREF will be to contact some people as close as possible to your home to perform the test. Any travel arrangements will be made between you and those people. If JREF cannot find anybody close to you, it will probably be most convenient for everybody if it is you who do the travelling.

4. As I have previously asked, how do I get in touch with this KRAMER guy? I think I also read in one of the threads that JREF decided that he will no longer respond to any inquiries, is this true?
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KRAMER has only stopped writing in the forum. Of course, he still repsonds to emails.

6. I read in the thread somewhere that an Indonesian team once attempted to become an applicant. What was it they were planning to demonstrate? What happened? How were they declared fail?
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Yes, this is the infamous Yellow Bamboo affair. You can read this thread for more information. The summary is that an Indonesian group called Yellow Bamboo made much the same claim as you. It was impossible to find some suitable testers in Indonesia, and negotiations dragged along when suddenly a young Indonesian turned up and agreed to perform the test. Randi made some specifications that would do as a protocol, and to everybody's surprise the Yellow Bamboo succeeded in knocking the tester down. However, few of Randi's specifications had been adhered to, and there was good reason to suspect foul play by the Yellow Bamboo, so the test was declared void. In case you wonder, the tester had been instructed to walk and tap the Yellow Bamboo leader lightly with a stick, but the tester actually ran and would possibly have tried to hit the YB man. Several YB people also ran close to the tester, and it is surmised that they used a tazer to knock him down. The video footage was so lousy that nobody could see what was really happening.

So the lesson for you should be to have a cast-iron protocol before your test. Do not rush into a test where doubts can be raised later. Make sure that the protocol is adhered to, and make sure that the video that the JREF insists on will have as favorable conditions as possible.
 
Folks, please note: Thelight is NOT an Indonesian person. Really. He only says he lives in Indonesia - that does not necessarily make him Indonesian.

And I'm getting the strongest sense of a nasty set-up in progress too...
 
thelight said:
... And as I mentioned before, I’m a regular guy who needs to go to work everyday and get shouted by the boss at work...
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Well, there's your test subject right there! If you can repel your boss on a daily basis with your magical powers, I'd say you have a good shot at the million dollars!
 
Not sure exactly what information you're looking for from Kramer, thelight. If you're looking for something specific, like an official clarification on a rule or something, sending a message to him through the forum may work. For something more labor-intensive, like asking him to start looking for representatives near you, he's likely to say you're getting ahead of yourself and ask that you apply first.

Of course, my advice (to all potential applicants) is to first confirm reproducable results before taking the big step of applying, as failure results in at least a year's delay and incurs costs. I fear for the chances of success with an untested protocol, especially when something isn't completely understood.

It would be so much easier if you could test the results first. Are you sure you don't know of anyone with a doberman? You appear to have successfully used (or at least witnessed) this ability in the past, would it be possible to recreate those conditions to examine the ability in depth?

Cooperation will be much easier to get from lots of people once you can move away from, "I believe I have this ability" and move on to, "let me demonstrate this ability".
 
Been away a while, and I return to find my good name being besmirched. thelight, I'm sorry. You don't make me angry. All I feel is pity and mild amusement.

I guess though, if you wanted to cut me in for some of the million, I'd consent to you saying or doing whatever it took to actually anger me. I'd then be more than happy to deliver a flying kick to your head. I have to warn you ahead of time though, I've had alot of years of real Martial Arts training and can pretty much guarantee that the only result would be a sore head for you. Tell you what though. Afterwards you should have enough anger in you that YOU could attack ME. I'm pretty positive I could redirect your attacks with my powers. Of course, my powers DO involve touching you a little bit, but what's a little physical contact among true believers?

Hey, didn't you say in your very first post that your buddy is better at your trick than you are and you'd like to have HIM do it? That you're just gonna apply on his behalf? So why now, when there's an even BETTER ability to show that would leave no doubt (breaking steel with cloth) are you not gonna cut him in?




Allright, seriously here for a moment folks. A little info about Doberman dogs. They are not, by nature, aggressive or "angry." Most big dogs aren't, particularly the working dogs. What they are, is intelligent and social. They take well to training because they're smart and very eager to please their companion. Where Dobes (and Rotts, and Pits, etc.) get a bad reputation is by being mishandled. A poorly treated dog, without the social contact and interaction that they crave, is likely to end up with a bad demeanor.

I've seen several reports (and my own experience, having a girlfriend who owns a dog grooming business, backs this up) that there are FAR FAR more attacks from small dogs yearly in the US than there are from the larger and supposedly "fierce, mean" breeds. You're just not likely to hear the "Toy Poodle kills man" report on the evening news. :) For one, it's easy to fight off a toy Poodle (even without magic powers) so the result is not likely to be tragic and secondly, that sorta report doesn't fit into anyones political agenda.

Sorry for having to inject something at least a little bit educational into this thread. ;) Now back to the standard wackiness.
 
Doberman said:
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Sorry for having to inject something at least a little bit educational into this thread. ;) Now back to the standard wackiness.
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How dare you call this thread "wacky"?

We do "serious" science here, "this is just such a routine in (our) daily lives".

How dare you mock thelight's "ability"?

This ..., uuh, this ... ... aah, muthaff..., ooooh ..., mmh, nnrgh ..., almost, uffffffffffllllllllllllllrrrrrpphf (ah yeah) - just a little gas. Carry on, then.
 
GzuzKryzt said:
Has thelight gone out?
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It's been about two weeks, so I figgure he's probably still reading about the failures of Yellow Bamboo (probably take another month to get through all that material :P)

At last post, he seemed anxious to apply, despite less-than-encouraging results in his most recent self-test. He indicates he has a normal life outside of his challenge (something I'd encourage all applicants to keep as a backup should their challenge fail) that is probably slowing things down a bit.

Hopefully, he will perform more self-tests with conclusive results and share them with us here.
 
This is Texino.
Gzuz, he has ask if a fighter from the prize ring, as I was, must be full with anger for his bout opponent? Well no, that is not the idea. May be to call boxing the sweet science is somewhat hypocrite, but there will be some scientific applications made for strategy and the like. Still you will often not like your opponent for some reason outside the ring. If this is so, well keep the dislike outside the ring or it becomes a heavy thing you must carry.
This is hard to say this stuff for me because my use of English syntax is corrupt. It will become better in time when in use.
My point to make though is in the fight, you want to stay even and then pick scoring opportunity. I should say that some fighter is stupid and will keep heart in plain sight (mean feelings of peace or rage) an this is the one you can dispose bip bip bam. You always thinking about the hands. My left hand is bam because I am lefty so the right hand is bip, the little jabber.
I am most careful not to insult those who make a life of some fight philosophy; you know with black belt and this. But I must point out that it is art nearly as a dance is. Boxing for all it claims of science is maybe the more brutal and certainly a more natural combat if other weapon not available. Witness some of illegal unlimited fighting if you can and you will see it is some men push and punch push and punch. You are breaking body down in a very brutal way. Has been going this way for 1000 years. The art of fighting with body extended or kicking or use a stick is lovely demonstration of skill. Once again though, a real fight for someone to win it must be to hit and hit back till someone stops. A kick is too much energy to waste unless your opponent must use it too. I will not come here and argue because I am just making some explanations for someone asks me to. I must say in honesty that I think The-Light is maybe a young person who is fooled by thinking artistic skill is magical. Beauty and magic goes nicely because they can entrance your thoughts. Fighting for a wining position is totally something else. I think for sure you can use a person bad attitude or anger against him, but you will not make him fly the fence like a home run. Sorry but reality just incorporate the basics, so is best to keep feet on earth and head attached to neck.
Thank you.
Tomas Texino from Panama.
 
texino said:
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Sorry but reality just incorporate the basics, so is best to keep feet on earth and head attached to neck.
Thank you.
Tomas Texino from Panama.
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Thank YOU, texino, for these enlightening explanations.
Unfortunately, we haven't heard from thelight in quite some time.

Your english works fine - muy mejor que mi espanol. If we don't understand something we'll just ask you.
 
He left off with a phenomenon that was not easily reproducable. Though it might bring satisfaction to some here were he to return and say, "After repeated failed attempts to produce consistent results, I have come to the conclusion that I was in err and in fact do not posses any paranormal ability", I think it unlikely. I find it cordial of him to refrain from engaging in useless babble when he has nothing of interest to report.
 
petre said:
He left off with a phenomenon that was not easily reproducable. Though it might bring satisfaction to some here were he to return and say, "After repeated failed attempts to produce consistent results, I have come to the conclusion that I was in err and in fact do not posses any paranormal ability", I think it unlikely. I find it cordial of him to refrain from engaging in useless babble when he has nothing of interest to report.
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Agree.

Edited to include: This is post 666. But I'm not lying. I do sincerely agree.
 
I just wonder if it might be easier just to say ' Stay & Sit ' in a loud voice ?
To be fair this doesn't work with our cat .
 
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