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alfaniner
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Um, I don't suppose you happened to videotape this one, did you? With the lens cap off? In the light? (so to speak...)
Lothian
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This looks like a much better test. No dogs. No one getting angry (unless frustration leads to anger.)
Deflection and "pushed" backwards vs. being "hurled" backwards is a bit weaker of a result than hoped. Note from the original protocol:
Using a common understanding of the term "hurled", would you estimate any of the results fit this success criteria? Would it be clear that the result of the backwards motion was not a result of the dog jumping backwards? Both of these must be the case to be considered a success of any kind under the protocol you established earlier. With luck, you will have greater success with a doberman.
Just out of curiosity, did you ask your police friend if he (or she, wasn't clear from the description) would be willing to sign an affidavit that what happened appeared to be paranormal with no rational explanation? This would be a good start, since finding professionals to support your claim may be required as part of the application process.
Using a common understanding of the term "hurled", would you estimate any of the results fit this success criteria? Would it be clear that the result of the backwards motion was not a result of the dog jumping backwards? Both of these must be the case to be considered a success of any kind under the protocol you established earlier. With luck, you will have greater success with a doberman.
Just out of curiosity, did you ask your police friend if he (or she, wasn't clear from the description) would be willing to sign an affidavit that what happened appeared to be paranormal with no rational explanation? This would be a good start, since finding professionals to support your claim may be required as part of the application process.
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Why pick the most untestable of your powers?
"I sometimes use it to break hard objects (e.g. thick bricks) when I do training with my friends. A friend of mine can break a steel rod using a piece of cloth by using this force. Another person can transmit images using telepathy (but the images is limited to plain colors only)."
TheLight, given all the problems inherent with testing your alleged ability (ie how to provoke the dogs into a state of anger, whether its ethical to provoke the animal in the first place, whether a dog actually IS angry when it attacks, whether the animal is indeed deflected or consciously changes its direction etc etc etc), would it not be a damned sight simpler to demonstrate one of the additional abilities you claim above? I'm new here, but even I can see that these would be a lot easier to test, demonstrate and monitor...You wouldn't have these darned pesky skeptics trying to argue the toss after the experiment saying "the dog wasn't deflected"....you either break the thick brick in two or you don't. As an added bonus, the bricks emotional state is completely irrelevant (although we mustn't forget that building materials have feelings too).
"I sometimes use it to break hard objects (e.g. thick bricks) when I do training with my friends. A friend of mine can break a steel rod using a piece of cloth by using this force. Another person can transmit images using telepathy (but the images is limited to plain colors only)."
TheLight, given all the problems inherent with testing your alleged ability (ie how to provoke the dogs into a state of anger, whether its ethical to provoke the animal in the first place, whether a dog actually IS angry when it attacks, whether the animal is indeed deflected or consciously changes its direction etc etc etc), would it not be a damned sight simpler to demonstrate one of the additional abilities you claim above? I'm new here, but even I can see that these would be a lot easier to test, demonstrate and monitor...You wouldn't have these darned pesky skeptics trying to argue the toss after the experiment saying "the dog wasn't deflected"....you either break the thick brick in two or you don't. As an added bonus, the bricks emotional state is completely irrelevant (although we mustn't forget that building materials have feelings too).
alfaniner
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Precisely why a proper protocol must be designed beforehand. There can be no argument/judging about the results of the test. The results must be self-evident
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"Precisely why a proper protocol must be designed beforehand. There can be no argument/judging about the results of the test. The results must be self-evident"
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I just think (and I'm sure that theLight is all to aware of this) that the nature of the claim makes it almost impossible to design a protocol that satisfies everyone, so while he won't win, he'll at least never satisfactorily be proved wrong in his own mind..."never work with children or animals" suddenly springs to mind. It can't be easy to get a doberman to adhere to test protocol rules! Can't we try and persuade theLight to demonstrate the abilities he has with inanimate objects that he suddenly added? An unambiguous test protocol involving steel rods and bricks must be a hundred times easier to agree on and set up than one involving animals. What do you say theLight?
I must admit that the wicked part of my brain keeps playing the same loop over and over again: theLight running around a laboratory with his head clamped in a doberman jaws screaming "It wasn't angry enough!". I almost want him to give us a one off demonstration. But thats just me being cruel
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I just think (and I'm sure that theLight is all to aware of this) that the nature of the claim makes it almost impossible to design a protocol that satisfies everyone, so while he won't win, he'll at least never satisfactorily be proved wrong in his own mind..."never work with children or animals" suddenly springs to mind. It can't be easy to get a doberman to adhere to test protocol rules! Can't we try and persuade theLight to demonstrate the abilities he has with inanimate objects that he suddenly added? An unambiguous test protocol involving steel rods and bricks must be a hundred times easier to agree on and set up than one involving animals. What do you say theLight?
I must admit that the wicked part of my brain keeps playing the same loop over and over again: theLight running around a laboratory with his head clamped in a doberman jaws screaming "It wasn't angry enough!". I almost want him to give us a one off demonstration. But thats just me being cruel
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Nick Bogaerts
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I suggest he tries breaking thick bricks with his mind. (How many different claims do we have now?)
1) Can you break thick bricks without physical contact?
2) If so, with what degree of success?
3) What about thin bricks?
Given the low success rate claimed for dogs, that it is much easier to find thousands of thick bricks than hundreds of angry dobermans, and that the behaviour of thick bricks is much more predictable than that of angry dobermans, I suggest testing this instead.
1) Can you break thick bricks without physical contact?
2) If so, with what degree of success?
3) What about thin bricks?
Given the low success rate claimed for dogs, that it is much easier to find thousands of thick bricks than hundreds of angry dobermans, and that the behaviour of thick bricks is much more predictable than that of angry dobermans, I suggest testing this instead.
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Frankly, I think this entire thread is absurd. The guy is either perpetrating a hoax, as suggested, or he is in the same delusional league as kilik. Either way, no sensible discussion is going to achieve anything other than maybe a bit of brief, mild amusement.
This does not answer my question. You simply repeated - using different words - what you said before.
I ask you again: How does the anger of the person/animal attacking YOU affect YOUR "repelling force"?
A simple explanation. Please.
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I don't think an ability to break bricks with your hand is paranormal in any way. I'm sure anyone could do that, given enough upper body strength and lack of feeling in their hands (which rules me out). Look at the people breaking wood - that's easy enough if you do it the right way.
Of all the claims made, I think the easiest one to test that would definitely be a paranormal power would the the telepathic color transmission. How about it? Why don't a group of you just get together and figure out what you can do and how you can demonstate it. Then you can all apply individually for the prize, and if any of you manage to win, you can all split it.
I guess my only question at this point would be, if you don't manage to demonstrate this power, how will you react? Will you decide it just wasn't working for some reason, or will you re-think your basis for your abilites?
I wouldn't worry about anyone snatching up the prize before you. It's been around in one from or another for more than 20 years now, and no one has gotten close.
Of all the claims made, I think the easiest one to test that would definitely be a paranormal power would the the telepathic color transmission. How about it? Why don't a group of you just get together and figure out what you can do and how you can demonstate it. Then you can all apply individually for the prize, and if any of you manage to win, you can all split it.
I guess my only question at this point would be, if you don't manage to demonstrate this power, how will you react? Will you decide it just wasn't working for some reason, or will you re-think your basis for your abilites?
I wouldn't worry about anyone snatching up the prize before you. It's been around in one from or another for more than 20 years now, and no one has gotten close.
Let's just say that I have reason to understand from the grammar and usage of words in thelight's posts to suspect a rather poor attempt at a fake "personality". And since s/he is parroting the Yellow Bamboo set of claims almost exactly and completely, including a rather obvious bout of dodge-and-weave on claims, I have a suspect in mind:
Alvin Donovan III, chief tout and profiteer for Yellow Bamboo
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The claim is a bit silly when you think about it. I'm quite new here, but looking through other threads there seems to be a theme of people making absurd claims, counting any arguments with nonsense over the next few days, and then vanishing from the thread completely (is this what you mean by trolling?). In fact, the whole premise of standing firm against a rapidly approaching angry doberman for some reason puts me in mind of the monty python fruit sketch: Self defense with fruit seems a lot more plausible than telekentic powers
"The great advantage of the tiger in unarmed combat is that he eats not only the fruit-laden foe but also the redcurrants. Tigers however do not relish the peach. The peach assailant should be attacked with a crocodile. Right, now, the rest of you, where are you? I know you're hiding somewhere with your damsons and prunes. Well I'm ready for you. I've wired meself up to 200 tons of gelignite, and if any one of you so much as makes a move we'll all go up together! Right, right. I warned you. That's it..."
"The great advantage of the tiger in unarmed combat is that he eats not only the fruit-laden foe but also the redcurrants. Tigers however do not relish the peach. The peach assailant should be attacked with a crocodile. Right, now, the rest of you, where are you? I know you're hiding somewhere with your damsons and prunes. Well I'm ready for you. I've wired meself up to 200 tons of gelignite, and if any one of you so much as makes a move we'll all go up together! Right, right. I warned you. That's it..."
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Doberman Debacle
I agree with you, completely. I've got nearly 40 years of experience as a professional dog trainer with aprox. 12 of those years training Schutz. This person is either mentally ill or abysmally ignorant. ('Schutz' is a common abbreviation for a dog sport that involves demonstrating a combination of obedience, tracking skills and protection skills.)
Might I suggest dressing up in a full-body protection suit, going to the nearest zoo and removing a nursing puppy from the resident wolf pack? One might expect a nice, high level of anger in the 4-legged participants. (Of course, if the applicant is really confident, he can dispense with the suit.)
I agree with you, completely. I've got nearly 40 years of experience as a professional dog trainer with aprox. 12 of those years training Schutz. This person is either mentally ill or abysmally ignorant. ('Schutz' is a common abbreviation for a dog sport that involves demonstrating a combination of obedience, tracking skills and protection skills.)
- No test with 2 or 3 'passes' out of 10 is considered a success. The thread-starter should try putting that over on any 4th grade Arithmetic teacher.
- Dobermans, as a breed, are far less aggressive than many other breeds.
- Well-trained protection dogs work out of drive...NOT out of anger. In my opinion, any 'anger' requirement merely provides a handy excuse to justify failure.
- The chain setup programs even the most well-trained dog for inevitable failure because of the severe correction of hitting the end of the chain.
- If even the 'expert' friend could not manage to repel a dog more than a few times, the 'powers' don't exist. The whole idea is a fake or self-delusion.
Might I suggest dressing up in a full-body protection suit, going to the nearest zoo and removing a nursing puppy from the resident wolf pack? One might expect a nice, high level of anger in the 4-legged participants. (Of course, if the applicant is really confident, he can dispense with the suit.)
http://206.225.95.123/forumlive/showthread.php?p=1153560&highlight=alvin#post1153560
Just a question - has Dr Alvin himself ever posted on here?
Just a question - has Dr Alvin himself ever posted on here?
Hi thelight,
Apparently, it is not all that rare to repel a dog.
See this mpeg video link I have found. http://sullyworld.co.uk/agility/agility.mpeg
http://sullyworld.co.uk/agility/aboutus.html
In this video, apparently
(1) Instead of needing the dog to be very emotional, this person only need the dog to be "Barking Mad".
(2) the person is apparently being chased by a very persistent dog.
(3) The practitioner is so confident he did not wear protection.
(4) I counted 3 attacks and 3 repels. (100% success)
(5) The dog was repelled for a distance of at least 1 meter. (note where the legs lands)
(6) He used a 2 handed technique.
(6a) only 1 finger on the left hand to stop the dog, with touching.
(6b) half-fisted right hand to Repel the dog, without touching.
The following 4 other points I'm not too sure. comment please.
(1) Is the dog bigger and heavier than a Doberman? (which mean this person is more powerful)
(2) This particular practitioner may have already started a school teaching such "telekinetic" ability.
(3) The practitioner may be only able to exercise his power on living things only.
(4) Have this video been submitted to JREF challenge?
Can you imaging that ? One finger to stop a very heavy dog.
And a half-fisted-nontouching-wave to repell it 1 meter.
If he used a tight-fisted-direct-punch on the dog, the dog would fly more than a few meters.
thelight, These people are much more prepared than you. They already have this video to show it to the JREF. If they get it before you, I don't think another million is readily available. I thought unless you and your friend are at least half as capable as the anonymous practitioner in this video, you had better give up. If they did not win the million, your chances are much slimmer.
Apparently, it is not all that rare to repel a dog.
See this mpeg video link I have found. http://sullyworld.co.uk/agility/agility.mpeg
http://sullyworld.co.uk/agility/aboutus.html
In this video, apparently
(1) Instead of needing the dog to be very emotional, this person only need the dog to be "Barking Mad".
(2) the person is apparently being chased by a very persistent dog.
(3) The practitioner is so confident he did not wear protection.
(4) I counted 3 attacks and 3 repels. (100% success)
(5) The dog was repelled for a distance of at least 1 meter. (note where the legs lands)
(6) He used a 2 handed technique.
(6a) only 1 finger on the left hand to stop the dog, with touching.
(6b) half-fisted right hand to Repel the dog, without touching.
The following 4 other points I'm not too sure. comment please.
(1) Is the dog bigger and heavier than a Doberman? (which mean this person is more powerful)
(2) This particular practitioner may have already started a school teaching such "telekinetic" ability.
(3) The practitioner may be only able to exercise his power on living things only.
(4) Have this video been submitted to JREF challenge?
Can you imaging that ? One finger to stop a very heavy dog.
And a half-fisted-nontouching-wave to repell it 1 meter.
If he used a tight-fisted-direct-punch on the dog, the dog would fly more than a few meters.
thelight, These people are much more prepared than you. They already have this video to show it to the JREF. If they get it before you, I don't think another million is readily available. I thought unless you and your friend are at least half as capable as the anonymous practitioner in this video, you had better give up. If they did not win the million, your chances are much slimmer.