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An agreement which can be scrapped unilaterally at any time.
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An agreement which can be scrapped unilaterally at any time.
jeremyp
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It concerns me that British government ministers are still so delusional. Do they not understand that the EU will always put its political interest ahead of narrow economic issues?
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They're gambling that a big enough economic catastrophe looming nearer will make the political interests seem less important.
Archie Gemmill Goal
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The only goal is to attempt to shift the blame to the EU. Brexiteers will buy it. Because Brexiteers are either thick or ideologically driven to accept whatever they want to be true or, often, both.
Don't forget the small proportion who are insulated by virtue of foreign investments, who are just hoping for a massive killing.
.....but apparently that's only the case for foreigners, Brits will hold fast in the face of a self inflicted economic catastrophe and if anything, draw up more red lines. :
As far as trade deals goes I can't quite see how threatening to renege on the £39 Billion we had agreed to pay the EU is going to make such negotiations easier, though of course in the case of the USA where the negotiation is likely to consist of the US saying 'here's our terms take them or leave them', it may not have much impact.
Well at least going by the public statements, the British (including Boris Johnson) were convinced that German car makers and Italian cheese producers would be able to strong arm their governments into conceding to whatever the British demanded, only because they wanted to sell their goods in the UK.
jeremyp
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But it is obvious to everybody else that this is not going to be the case. I think Archie Gemmel's Goal has it about right. It's more a case of pretending to Brexiteers that we are stronger than we really are.
The key assumption made is that Sinn Feinn wants to prevent a no-deal Brexit.
The most likely result of a hard Brexit that matters to Sinn Feinn is Irish reunification after a few years of chaos at no blame to them. Why would they throw away an asset like that?
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I do love the idea that a vote failing, that would have passed if all Brexit-supporting MPs had voted for it, is somehow the fault of the remain supporting MPs.
That's some seriously delusional ********.
But I suppose if you are a believer in Brexit and the sunny uplands, then going all White Queen probably seems perfectly reasonable.
That's some seriously delusional ********.
But I suppose if you are a believer in Brexit and the sunny uplands, then going all White Queen probably seems perfectly reasonable.
Yup, it's like blaming the vegetarians when the meat eaters cannot decide between the chicken and the beef for dinner.
Vegetarians are inherently evil. Don't compare me to one please
Anyway, a sensible answer to that conundrum is "both", which is inapplicable for Brexit I'm afraid.
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Vegetarians are inherently evil. Don't compare me to one please
Anyway, a sensible answer to that conundrum is "both", which is inapplicable for Brexit I'm afraid.
McHrozni
In a way it is, except the both would be getting beef or chicken for dinner while at the same time keeping the cows and chickens alive for milk and eggs and then blaming the vegetarians for not enabling this.
And lets face it, promising contradictory results, without explaining how to get those results and then blaming everyone else for not delivering is exactly like the brexit has been handled from the beginning.
Yeah. The expansion above greatly improves the analogy
Can you add a pony in there somewhere? I love ponies.
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Of course, it will be the bestest pony ever. It will be your friend and talk to you and do anything you want.
You could have had it YEARS ago, but the evil EU forbade it, something with grossly unethical conduct and rules about genetic engineering, but soon the UK will be free to do whatever large corporations want!
You could have had it YEARS ago, but the evil EU forbade it, something with grossly unethical conduct and rules about genetic engineering, but soon the UK will be free to do whatever large corporations want!
You're missing the main fact that the "deal" they were voting on was a remain-led one. So the opposition wouldn't vote for it because, essentially, they're the opposition and vote against almost all government proposals; and the Brexit-supporting MPs wouldn't vote for it because it wasn't a proper Brexit - it was so weak and watered down that remaining would have been better.
Also, it made NO DIFFERENCE how the Brexit-supporting Tories voted. If the opposition and the DUP remained solid in voting against, the Tories could all vote for, against, or abstain - whatever the Tories voted the deal would still have failed.
I expected more remainers to vote for it - it ticked the box of saying that we'd 'left the EU', while keeping us tied into EU rules potentially in perpetuity. Anyway, the remainers missed their chance and that ship has now sailed.
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No.
No rewriting history again.
It was not a remain deal.
If it was a remain deal then we would be remaining.
Just because TM was part of the remain campaign does not automatically make her prime ministership a remain one! Had she been a remain PM then we would not have had the daft red lines she placed up to keep the right of her party in line.
And stop it with the DUP!
They are as Brexit-extreme as the ERG!
If all the Remain supporters can go in one box, then so can all the Brexit supporters.
FFS, you really are desperate to portray the incompetence of the Leave MPs as somehow the fault of Remain ones.
No rewriting history again.
It was not a remain deal.
If it was a remain deal then we would be remaining.
Just because TM was part of the remain campaign does not automatically make her prime ministership a remain one! Had she been a remain PM then we would not have had the daft red lines she placed up to keep the right of her party in line.
And stop it with the DUP!
They are as Brexit-extreme as the ERG!
If all the Remain supporters can go in one box, then so can all the Brexit supporters.
FFS, you really are desperate to portray the incompetence of the Leave MPs as somehow the fault of Remain ones.
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Because they aren't competent enough to come up with a deal that commands majority support in Parliament and which upholds the GFA and which is acceptable to the EU.
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