"SEND HER BACK!" Will they defend this?

johnny karate said:
Again, there’s that pesky context:
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The topic of the Facebook post would be appropriate in a thread about Trump's rhetoric (or Trump himself) perhaps. If you want to claim that the whole of Trump's nationalism and incivility leads to encouraging others to act out in bad ways (as the cop did), fine.

But this thread is about a particular issue, Trump's attacks on the Squad and the disturbing chants at his rally. The cop's post is not particularly relevant in this discussion.
 
phiwum said:
But this thread is about a particular issue, Trump's attacks on the Squad and the disturbing chants at his rally. The cop's post is not particularly relevant in this discussion.
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It's on topic as long as the "Well now you have to defend everything ever said in any context from someone on 'your side' before we'll address what my side did" is allowed as part of the topic.
 
WilliamSeger said:
You defined "racist" as anyone who thinks that race is a "real thing" and then referenced an article that says scientists consider race to be a "social construct." I assume that means it's not quite a real thing in your world, or at least it shouldn't be, so everyone just stop hating, problem solved. Good job.
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Racism is real, race isn't. d'oh
 
NWO Sentryman said:
And the left usually talk of Diversity being a strength, but can't go further than "Muh Dinnerplate!".
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My family was a foster family for refugees. I've seen several, probably about a dozen, refugees from Central American countries along with a woman I still refer to as my sister, come to the US and live in our house. She's from Vietnam, and when we dove into her culture to make her feel welcomed here I assure you that "muh dinnerplate" could not possibly have ranked lower on my list.

You can say whatever you want, but I'm probably not a good target to quote for this nonsense. Perhaps try this ******** with someone that hasn't spent 25+ years working with refugees and immigrants.
 
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plague311 said:
My family was a foster family for refugees. I've seen several, probably about a dozen, refugees from Central American countries along with a woman I still refer to as my sister, come to the US and live in our house. She's from Vietnam, and when we dove into her culture to make her feel welcomed here I assure you that "muh dinnerplate" could not possibly have ranked lower on my list.

You can say whatever you want, but I'm probably not a good target to quote for this nonsense. Perhaps try this ******** with someone that hasn't spent 25+ years working with refugees and immigrants.
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Cute Anecdote, but that does not explain how a society is stronger for becoming more diverse. The United Kingdom has become more diverse, but I have yet to think of a time post-WW2 that it has been this divided, and that's before Boris Johnson takes office.
 
phiwum said:
The topic of the Facebook post would be appropriate in a thread about Trump's rhetoric (or Trump himself) perhaps. If you want to claim that the whole of Trump's nationalism and incivility leads to encouraging others to act out in bad ways (as the cop did), fine.

But this thread is about a particular issue, Trump's attacks on the Squad and the disturbing chants at his rally. The cop's post is not particularly relevant in this discussion.
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1) Trump creates an environment in which his supporters uncritically accept lies about their perceived enemies and violence against those enemies is encouraged

2) Trump adds Ocasio-Cortez to the enemy list

2) Trump supporter uncritically accepts a lie about Ocasio-Cortez and threatens her with violence

Seems pretty straightforward to me.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
Cute Anecdote, but that does not explain how a society is stronger for becoming more diverse. The United Kingdom has become more diverse, but I have yet to think of a time post-WW2 that it has been this divided, and that's before Boris Johnson takes office.
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From an outsider's perspective the UK's division appear to be more political (pro-/no- Brexit) and class based rather than ethnically based - unless you're arguing for a classless or uniform political state I'm not certain how you figure those sorts of divisions are going to go away.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
Cute Anecdote, but that does not explain how a society is stronger for becoming more diverse. The United Kingdom has become more diverse, but I have yet to think of a time post-WW2 that it has been this divided, and that's before Boris Johnson takes office.
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Perhaps if you hadn't pretended that cuisine was the only reason some folks support diversity, we could've had the discussion on the benefits and detriments of diversity. It is your own fault that people respond to what you wrote rather than the discussion you now claim is the issue.
 
Border Reiver said:
From an outsider's perspective the UK's division appear to be more political (pro-/no- Brexit) and class based rather than ethnically based - unless you're arguing for a classless or uniform political state I'm not certain how you figure those sorts of divisions are going to go away.
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Except there was a LOT of race baiting courtesy of Nigel Farage, as well as in the years leading up to it. Sure, the ConDem Coalition mouthed a lot of platitudes about diversity being a strength, didn't stop them from pushing racist policies that served to normalise the Farages. And in the meantime inequality has grown drastically and house prices have skyrocketed in the last 20 years, since the Blair government implemented multicultural policies. The data is in, and i'd say that growing diversity does not actually improve society that much.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
Except there was a LOT of race baiting courtesy of Nigel Farage, as well as in the years leading up to it. Sure, the ConDem Coalition mouthed a lot of platitudes about diversity being a strength, didn't stop them from pushing racist policies that served to normalise the Farages. And in the meantime inequality has grown drastically and house prices have skyrocketed in the last 20 years, since the Blair government implemented multicultural policies. The data is in, and i'd say that growing diversity does not actually improve society that much.
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Well that's just great.

What does any of that have to do with the President telling a Congresswoman to "Go back where she came from?"

Is Donald Trump bravely protecting us from AOC's Puerco Pibil recipe?
 
johnny karate said:
1) Trump creates an environment in which his supporters uncritically accept lies about their perceived enemies and violence against those enemies is encouraged

2) Trump adds Ocasio-Cortez to the enemy list

2) Trump supporter uncritically accepts a lie about Ocasio-Cortez and threatens her with violence

Seems pretty straightforward to me.
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Just as straightforward as Zig's reasoning that AOC uses the term "concentration camp" and so did a nutcase who did something bad, so she has incited his actions. Your argument has a distinct advantage in the first premise, which does not seem to apply in the AOC story.

I think we've gone in circles on this long enough. In sum, the cop's post was bad. I don't regard it as a serious threat to AOC's safety and I don't think it was intended as such, but it was way out of line for a police officer. I don't see any clear connection between Trump's "love it or leave it" rhetoric and this post. Could be there, of course, but there's just no evidence from our limited vantage. Hence, it is not a particularly relevant example of the potential harm from Trump's recent diatribes (which harm you and I both agree is real).
 
phiwum said:
Perhaps if you hadn't pretended that cuisine was the only reason some folks support diversity, we could've had the discussion on the benefits and detriments of diversity. It is your own fault that people respond to what you wrote rather than the discussion you now claim is the issue.
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So, what makes Diversity a good unto itself? How is the more diverse UK of 2019 better off than it's less so counterpart in 1979?

Captain_Swoop said:
What do house prices have to do with 'multicultural policies'?
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I was using that as an example to show a more diverse society isn't necessarily better off.
 
Belz... said:
Yeah but there's a reason why human tribes and societies are inherently aggressive towards others, and even within a society they break down into all sorts of groups. There's something innate about that, but it doesn't mean you display it right out of the womb.
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I think it's just the innate defensive response when people feel that their group is threatened by another group. But that doesn't mean that we as a society can't learn the difference between rational responses to real threats and chauvinistic xenophobia.
 
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