"SEND HER BACK!" Will they defend this?

The Great Zaganza said:
Well, until 1996 she was a registered Republican. She believed in Free Market and unrestrained business. Until it became apparent that that doesn't work.
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Of course it doesn't work That's the Neoliberal myth.

I have touched on this before. While I am a strong believer in capitalism and free markets, I don't believe unregulated markets are free at all. Instead they produce a different sort of "slavery" where the "bondage" is perpetrated by economic abuse of power rather than governmental abuse of power. It's far worse because our government has checks and balances built into them to insure a reasonable degree of freedom, but the bondage that comes from economic abuse of power has no built in checks and balances like our constitution.
 
WilliamSeger said:
You define "racist" in a way that says virtually everyone on the planet is a racist.
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I certainly wish you were wrong. But unfortunately you may be right. Maybe most people are racist?:confused: Maybe it is hard wired in and has to be educated out?

Most studies I have read say the opposite though. They claim racism must be taught? :confused:

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... but not the least bit useful, much less the "intelligent discussion" I expected about Trump's race-baiting demagoguery.
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I am not a Trump supporter. I did not like him back when he was a democrat and I like him less now. I hated his TV show too! I have never understood what the big deal is with this guy. Never.
 
Red Baron Farms said:
I certainly wish you were wrong. But unfortunately you may be right. Maybe most people are racist?:confused: Maybe it is hard wired in and has to be educated out?

Most studies I have read say the opposite though. They claim racism must be taught? :confused:
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I think the truth is somewhere down the middle. I think it's a function of tribalism, but one that needs not get to the point where it's a problem, depending on the circumstances.
 
Red Baron Farms said:
I am not a Trump supporter. I did not like him back when he was a democrat and I like him less now. I hated his TV show too! I have never understood what the big deal is with this guy. Never.
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I like how you snuck that in there. For all the times I've heard this you would think that there was a mound of evidence Trump truly supported the Democrat agenda. I can't really seem to find anything about it, and I find this to be a red herring.

Even if he had been a democrat at some point, it hasn't been in the last decade considering his treatment of Obama. It's useless to bring up and I can't even think of a logical reason why it was, other than the obvious.
 
Red Baron Farms said:
I certainly wish you were wrong. But unfortunately you may be right. Maybe most people are racist?:confused: Maybe it is hard wired in and has to be educated out?

Most studies I have read say the opposite though. They claim racism must be taught? :confused:
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You defined "racist" as anyone who thinks that race is a "real thing" and then referenced an article that says scientists consider race to be a "social construct." I assume that means it's not quite a real thing in your world, or at least it shouldn't be, so everyone just stop hating, problem solved. Good job.
 
Belz... said:
I think the truth is somewhere down the middle. I think it's a function of tribalism, but one that needs not get to the point where it's a problem, depending on the circumstances.
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The reasoning behind me not thinking racism is innate is because of the fact that toddlers or babies don't seem to express any racism at all. Inquisitive at times because they see someone different, but there's definitely not any hate in it. None that I can think of at least, but that's just my anecdotal experience.
 
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plague311 said:
I like how you snuck that in there. For all the times I've heard this you would think that there was a mound of evidence Trump truly supported the Democrat agenda. I can't really seem to find anything about it, and I find this to be a red herring.



Even if he had been a democrat at some point, it hasn't been in the last decade considering his treatment of Obama. It's useless to bring up and I can't even think of a logical reason why it was, other than the obvious.
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"...but it was a wolf in sheep's clothing so that's totally different...
 
theprestige said:
Hell, fuelair used to wish pain and death on people all the time. I don't recall anyone here worried that he might be inciting violence.
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Reposted for you and everyone else expending so much effort in missing the point:
johnny karate said:
This isn't just some random yahoo spouting off on the internet. It's a law enforcement officer who we as a society grant the authority to carry a weapon and use deadly force saying that someone with whom he disagrees with politically should be shot.
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plague311 said:
The reasoning behind me not thinking racist is innate is because of the fact that toddlers or babies don't seem to express any racism at all. Inquisitive at times because they see someone different, but there's definitely not any hate in it. None that I can think of at least, but that's just my anecdotal experience.
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Yeah but there's a reason why human tribes and societies are inherently aggressive towards others, and even within a society they break down into all sorts of groups. There's something innate about that, but it doesn't mean you display it right out of the womb.
 
Belz... said:
Yeah but there's a reason why human tribes and societies are inherently aggressive towards others, and even within a society they break down into all sorts of groups. There's something innate about that, but it doesn't mean you display it right out of the womb.
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And even in the USSR, the most multicultural nation to ever exist, it still fell apart along ethnic lines (Especially in the Caucasus)
 
Belz... said:
Yeah but there's a reason why human tribes and societies are inherently aggressive towards others, and even within a society they break down into all sorts of groups. There's something innate about that, but it doesn't mean you display it right out of the womb.
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I can't really argue with that.
 
plague311 said:
The reasoning behind me not thinking racism is innate is because of the fact that toddlers or babies don't seem to express any racism at all. Inquisitive at times because they see someone different, but there's definitely not any hate in it. None that I can think of at least, but that's just my anecdotal experience.
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I think it is a lot more complex. It gets into what we define as racism and racist. At a fundamental level people will always judge people and be biased about them based on experience and exposure to media. This will result in them unconsciously basing actions these preconceived notions. So a given behavior will elicit different responses based on factors including race. The goal is to try to overcome those.

As children have less exposure to media and experience they have less to prejudice them. This is also why really young children just accept things like homosexual relationships as opposed to adults who have a long set world view that must be fought with.

Of course the explicit racism that Trump is embracing is rather different than the implicit racism that everyone has to deal with. But explicit racism was what got Trump into the presidency why should he abandon it now, and why should this be treated any differently than all the rest?

What is really weird to me is that people seem to suddenly care about his racism and be willing to admit it.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
And the left usually talk of Diversity being a strength, but can't go further than "Muh Dinnerplate!".
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I think the phrase "diversity is a strength" refers to different points of views and ideas leading to better solutions. That comes with diversity of background and ethnicity, but is not unique to it.

Regardless, something can be a strength AND also have negative consequences. The two aren't mutually-exclusive. Besides, if it's not on race, humans divide on all sorts of nonsense anyway. You're not shooing division away by having a homogeneous society.
 
JoeMorgue said:
No you can't go further then your weird obsession with foreign food.
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Belz... said:
I think the phrase "diversity is a strength" refers to different points of views and ideas leading to better solutions. That comes with diversity of background and ethnicity, but is not unique to it.

Regardless, something can be a strength AND also have negative consequences. The two aren't mutually-exclusive.
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My point is that when people talk of multicultural societies being better off than monocultural ones, the only advantage they give is "Muh dinnerplate!", while comparing the Soviet Union and Japan shows a lot of evidence to the contrary

- Less Corruption
- Greater Social Cohesion
- Lower Inequality

Were things that Japan had over the Soviet Union despite lacking the purported strengths of diversity.

When things turned south in Chernobyl, the USSR began to implode along ethnic lines (particularly in the Baltic and Caucasus) while Fukushima did not aggravate such tensions. Interestingly enough, despite the Soviet Union's Diversity and celebration of such, the "Different points of views and ideas" did not prevent the Chernobyl disaster.
 
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phiwum said:
The question is whether or not this incident is relevant to this thread, not whether Trump's rhetoric (either generally or specific to his comments on the Squad) is likely to result in violence. You and I agree on that point. Our disagreement is simply over the relevance of this post by a cop who was directly responding to a fake news article about AOC. We can't see any direct connection to Trump's recent attacks on the Squad there, so it's not direct evidence in this thread.
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Again, there’s that pesky context:
johnny karate said:
The things Trump says do not exist in a vacuum. He openly advocates criminal violence and foments conspiracy theories. This cannot be overlooked in examining any individual statement that he makes.
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NWO Sentryman said:
My point is that when people talk of multicultural societies being better off than monocultural ones, the only advantage they give is "Muh dinnerplate!", while comparing the Soviet Union and Japan shows a lot of evidence to the contrary

- Less Corruption
- Greater Social Cohesion
- Lower Inequality

Were things that Japan had over the Soviet Union despite lacking the purported strengths of diversity.

When things turned south in Chernobyl, the USSR began to implode along ethnic lines (particularly in the Baltic and Caucasus) while Fukushima did not aggravate such tensions.
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And then you refer to the USSR as some sort of hypothetical multi-cultural paradise and expect to be taken seriously.
 
Oh come Belz don't remember the inscription on the Statue of Liberty.


Give me your boiled, your mashed,
Your huddled pot lucks yearning to be eating,
The grilled beef of your 3 cheese tacos,
Send these, the taste, the scrumptious me,
I lift my fork beside the golden plate!"
 
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