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New Zealanders are refusing to turn over guns under new law

BrooklynBaby said:
I don't know what you're talking about. Come to think of it, I don't really care.
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Seriously?

You claim to be knowledgable about America's history and yet you don't know about the French involvement in the Revolutionary War?

You don't know that the French secretly shipped supplies, materiel, arms and ammunition to the Continental Army?

You've never heard of the 1778 Treaty of Alliance?

The assistance of France is openly acknowledged by historians as a major, vital, and decisive contribution to the US victory against the British. Without the French, Howe, Gage, Cornwallis et al would very likely have handed your forebears their collective arses on a silver platter, and the 56 delegates to the Second Continental Congress (FYI, that the guys who signed your Declaration of Independence), they would in all likelihood have been executed for Treason!
 
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smartcooky said:
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I wasn't claiming we had no peckerwoods - we do. I was claiming we have no citizen militias, crazy loons playing soldiers in the backwoods.

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Oh, and have a read of post #22
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I know nothing about white supremacists, have never even seen one, and had no idea "peckerwoods" had anything to do with them. Where I come from "peckerwood" was synonymous with "doofus".
 
lionking said:
Correct. You no doubt know this. Showing the "need" for a semi automatic is an extremely high barrier to reach and they are out of reach for all but the military, police, security services and perhaps some professional feral animal hunters (and I'm not even certain of this last category).
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As far as I know, even professional hunters don't get access to semiautomatic rifles. But I could be wrong about that.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
The "DON'T TREAD ON ME!!!!" loons took on the Brits and won our independence. They created this country. Their descendents today have a fine pedigree and will keep this country free. Orwell knew this and left us out of Big Brother controlled Oceania in "1984", knowing we were fiercely independent, but the Brits were ripe for the plucking by future leftists. Pretty smart guy, that Orwell.
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Have you read 1984? The USA is specifically named as part of Oceania in the novel.
 
smartcooky said:
Seriously?

You claim to be knowledgable about America's history and yet you don't know about the French involvement in the Revolutionary War?

You don't know that the French secretly shipped supplies, materiel, arms and ammunition to the Continental Army?

You've never heard of the 1778 Treaty of Alliance?

The assistance of France is openly acknowledged by historians as a major, vital, and decisive contribution to the US victory against the British. Without the French, Howe, Gage, Cornwallis et al would very likely have handed your forebears their collective arses on a silver platter, and the 56 delegates to the Second Continental Congress (FYI, that the guys who signed your Declaration of Independence), they would in all likelihood have been executed for Treason!
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Nonsense! It was all about protecting the airports. And the Mirage was never a match for the F-16!
 
smartcooky said:
Seriously?

You claim to be knowledgable about America's history and yet you don't know about the French involvement in the Revolutionary War?

You don't know that the French secretly shipped supplies, materiel, arms and ammunition to the Continental Army?

You've never heard of the 1778 Treaty of Alliance?

The assistance of France is openly acknowledged by historians as a major, vital, and decisive contribution to the US victory against the British. Without the French, Howe, Gage, Cornwallis et al would very likely have handed your forebears their collective arses on a silver platter, and the 56 delegates to the Second Continental Congress (FYI, that the guys who signed your Declaration of Independence), they would in all likelihood have been executed for Treason!
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And of course training to turn the militia rabble into a popper army from comte de Rochambeau.

And the vital french blockade that lead to the surrender at Yorktown.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
The leftists are probably going to have to go to war to get their guns in Australia and New Zealand. (Which they will regret almost immediately.) They will definitely have to go to war to get our guns in the U.S., just like the Brits tried to do and failed miserably. Although, with the Brits if it hadn't been that it would have been something else.
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I think you'll find it was a bit more complicated than that.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
The "DON'T TREAD ON ME!!!!" loons took on the Brits and won our independence. They created this country. Their descendents today have a fine pedigree and will keep this country free. Orwell knew this and left us out of Big Brother controlled Oceania in "1984",knowing we were fiercely independent,
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No he didn't. The former United States is a component part of Oceania in the book.

but the Brits were ripe for the plucking by future leftists. Pretty smart guy, that Orwell.
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Orwell the die-hard socialist, you mean?
 
Information Analyst said:
Nineteen Eighty-Four is often referenced incorrectly by those who have never read it.
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I own a copy. I could definitely tell you the plot and how it ends. I haven't read it.

It seems I still know more about the novel that BB does about the American war of independence / Colonial war of rebellion / Proxy war between Great Britain and France (take your pick) than he does.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
The leftists are probably going to have to go to war to get their guns in Australia and New Zealand. (Which they will regret almost immediately.) They will definitely have to go to war to get our guns in the U.S., just like the Brits tried to do and failed miserably. Although, with the Brits if it hadn't been that it would have been something else.
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Utter rubbish. Try visiting the Real World sometime.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
I live in the real world. How is the government going to get their guns when they don't give them up voluntarily? Say pretty please?
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Offer them money. If that fails, there are a number of other ways

1. Revoke their firearms licences
2. Prosecute them for possession of illegal weapons
3. Have a judge issue a warrant for seizure.

I can understand why you, being American, simply cannot conceive of the idea of a country that has no legally enshrined gun rights, no gun rights lobbyists bribing politicians for favourable laws, no gun-totin' wannabes running around in the backwoods playing pretend soldiers, no whinging red-necks crying "bbbbut muh guns"

  • Our Constitution contains nothing like your 2nd amendment.
  • Our Bill of Rights does not include the right to own guns.
  • Ownership of guns in this country is a privilege, one that can be revoked at any time
  • The use of firearms for self-defence is expressly forbidden
  • There is no such thing as a "carry permit" for regular citizens

In all three cases I have listed above, those illegally held weapons will be seized without a shot being fired. I seriously doubt anyone will get themselves into an armed stand-off with Police.

In this country, once the illegal guns are all seized, every New Zealander knows the sun will still come up in the morning, the sky will not fall, and that life will go on. The issue of gun ownership is not considered to be one worth dying for.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
I live in the real world. How is the government going to get their guns when they don't give them up voluntarily? Say pretty please?
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Then the government won't get their guns. But their guns won't likely see the light of day ever again either, for fear of prosecution.

Seems the government wins either way, doesn't it.
 
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