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New Zealanders are refusing to turn over guns under new law

ponderingturtle said:
Well Cullenz list was pretty crazy as it is all based on the idea that shooters only shoot semi auto firearms and not any other. And of course wouldn't transition to allowed firearms in those calibers.

By wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_(Prohibited_Firearms,_Magazines,_and_Parts)_Amendment_Act

There do not seem to be any caliber restrictions in this at all, so if you get a bolt action rifle in 5.56mm Nato with a magazie of 5 rounds you can use all the rounds you had for your ar-15.

That list is based on the weird idea that shooters are only interested in shooting semi auto and so their shooting kit is useless with out it. This assumption is really weird. Cullenz should read up on the new law and see it does not seem to outlaw any ammunition in any fashion.
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I never said it did

I just badly worded the point that if someones guns have to be handed in they are left with shedloads of pointless ammo' the govt aren't giving cash for
 
In any case, the OP posted a very one-sided article, full of emotive language and rhetoric from an American pro-gun, right wing source (no surprise there).

Now you can try reading about it from a centre-right source that actually gives you real news, not the propaganda and alternative facts that American conservative media does.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12246561

If you don't want to bother reading the article, here are the highlights (and keep in mind when you read the figures that this is a country of about 4.8 million people, so about the same as Alabama or Louisiana)

  • 3000 firearms that will get no compensation have been marked for collection.
  • 1300 unlawful guns have been seized since March, many from gangs and people without firearms licences.
  • 250 collection events will happen over the next three months
  • 840 firearms had already been handed to police
  • 8000 firearms have been declared for return by their owners via online forms

Under the buyback scheme, only firearms obtained legally by someone with a valid firearms licence will be compensated.

People can hand in any firearms (legally obtained or otherwise) and they won't be prosecuted or have to provide any personal details.

The Police say that the feedback about the gun buyback is 80% positive v 5% negative.
 
smartcooky said:
Sign me up!

This is not the USA; we don't have bunches of dumb-**** peckerwoods running around in the hills (being make-believe soldiers), who wouldn't last five minutes in a real shooting war with a real enemy.

In any case, effectively, the simple answer is to control the ammunition supply... guns with no ammo are like cars with no gas; a useless piece of scrap metal. You have to present your licence to buy ammunition, and the purchase is recorded, so we will know who they are and what calibre of firearm they own.

We also have a fine tradition in this country of dobbing law-breakers in to the cops. I know at least a half dozen people with semi-automatic firearms, and if I notice they still have them, I will definitely be dropping the local cops a line. There will be women who will dob their exes in as well.



We don't have a big gun culture here; gun ownership in this country a not a right, its a privilege; one that can be rescinded. I'm a firearms owner (but I don't own any semi-automatics, just a shotgun for duck and goose shooting, and two bolt action rifles) We do have a hunting culture, but they are predominantly pig hunters who use dogs and knives, not guns.
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700 guns turned in out of 1.5 million. I would say those numbers would suggest you've underestimated the number of "peckerwoods" living there.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
700 guns turned in out of 1.5 million. I would say those numbers would suggest you've underestimated the number of "peckerwoods" living there.
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I wasn't claiming we had no peckerwoods - we do. I was claiming we have no citizen militias, crazy loons playing soldiers in the backwoods.

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Oh, and have a read of post #22
 
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cullennz said:
I never said it did

I just badly worded the point that if someones guns have to be handed in they are left with shedloads of pointless ammo' the govt aren't giving cash for
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And again how many people only shoot semi auto rifles and shotguns and not have some manual ones too? How many people are giving up shooting sports because of this?
 
BrooklynBaby said:
700 guns turned in out of 1.5 million. I would say those numbers would suggest you've underestimated the number of "peckerwoods" living there.
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The police have said directly that they would prefer people take them to the 200 hundred arranged hand in events rather than taking them to stations.

The events haven't started yet, so it is a bit early to get too overboard on how many peckerwoods are around (not that I know what these even are)
 
cullennz said:
The police have said directly that they would prefer people take them to the 200 hundred arranged hand in events rather than taking them to stations.

The events haven't started yet, so it is a bit early to get too overboard on how many peckerwoods are around (not that I know what these even are)
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Think of it like "douchebag", "dumbass", etc.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
The leftists are probably going to have to go to war to get their guns in Australia and New Zealand. (Which they will regret almost immediately.)
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Utter nonsense. Aussie didn't have any trouble when they banned a range of guns after Port Arthur, and there certainly won't be any armed resistance here.

Some people are a bit pissed off about the buyback scheme, but being Kiwis, they'll harden up and come to the party in good time.

I can see why you're keen to lump a mild truculence in with armed resistance, though:

BrooklynBaby said:
They will definitely have to go to war to get our guns in the U.S.
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We know.

Luckily, that attitude isn't being exported, so trying to see an ally in Kiwi attitudes to guns won't work.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
700 guns turned in out of 1.5 million. I would say those numbers would suggest you've underestimated the number of "peckerwoods" living there.
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This translates to saying that New Zealand (and/or smartcooky) has underestimated the number of white supremacists who will not give up their guns.

Peckerwood is an American name, but here it was applied to Kiwi white supremacists. I suppose they are all pretty much the same anyway.
 
William Parcher said:
This translates to saying that New Zealand (and/or smartcooky) has underestimated the number of white supremacists who will not give up their guns.

Peckerwood is an American name, but here it was applied to Kiwi white supremacists. I suppose they are all pretty much the same anyway.
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Most of the NZ gangs involved with guns (and drugs and a lot of other bad stuff) are Maori and Pacifika bikies. Pretty tough dudes.

The Christchurch killer was a radicalised white supremacist Aussie interloper. He chose NZ to act because their gun laws are (or were) way more lax than in Australia.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Most of the NZ gangs involved with guns (and drugs and a lot of other bad stuff) are Maori and Pacifika bikies. Pretty tough dudes.
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I'm not familiar with NZ gangs and organized crime. Would those guys be classified as anti-white racists or something like "native supremacists"? Anyway, they probably wouldn't give up their guns either.
 
smartcooky said:
Not quite, but close.
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It is spot on with this context. BB meant white supremacists.

I already knew the history of the name. But nowadays nobody would dare to use it in reference to anything other than white supremacy.
 
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William Parcher said:
I'm not familiar with NZ gangs and organized crime. Would those guys be classified as anti-white racists or something like "native supremacists"? Anyway, they probably wouldn't give up their guns either.
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Native supremacy in NZ is a thing, but it's not necessarily an armed rebellion thing. There is a level of legitimacy in that it is a stated political goal in some circles rather than a "war" goal for swivel-eyed knuckleheads.

NZ gangs seem to identify more closely with US bikie gangs than any supremacy groups. So the guns are for standovers and occasionally turf-wars. Not for fomenting rebellions.

Thing is, in NZ, huntin', fishin' and shootin' are very popular, both as pastimes and as part of land management. Ask a kiwi about the possum infestations! So guns are common.
 
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William Parcher said:
I'm not familiar with NZ gangs and organized crime. Would those guys be classified as anti-white racists or something like "native supremacists"? Anyway, they probably wouldn't give up their guns either.
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They'd be the equivalent of the "Black Disciples" in Chicago

NZ gangs are not like US gangs. Armed Police could just walk right in to their gang headquarters and take their guns, and the gangs won't actively resist that.. at least, not if they know what's good for them.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Native supremacy in NZ is a thing, but it's not necessarily an armed rebellion thing. There is a level of legitimacy in that it is a stated political goal in some circles rather than a "war" goal for swivel-eyed knuckleheads.

NZ gangs seem to identify more closely with US bikie gangs than any supremacy groups. So the guns are for standovers and occasionally turf-wars. Not for fomenting rebellions.
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I never heard the term bikie, but a quick search says it's the equivalent of America's outlaw motorcycle gangs (bikers). Now here is the thing, in America those biker gangs are predominantly white supremacists. Their daily business is organized crime for profit (mostly drugs but also other profit crimes) but most outlaw biker gangs are peckerwoods.

Your description of the bikies not being war-mongering knuckleheads is also true for our outlaw bikers and other peckerwoods.
 
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