Cont: Brexit: Now What? 7th heaven...

[McHrozni]

It's one thing reporting (anonymously) to the police if you're worried that someone may have been hurt. It's a completely different thing to record the conversation and give the recording to a national newspaper.

Why? The conversation was loud enough to be heard in a neighboring flat. This is by definition a very public conversation, almost a public speech really.

Installing a hidden microphone would be different, recording a conversation that doesn't require more than a smartphone app in your own home isn't that controversial.

Note the story is now that they only contacted the newspaper after the police had already informed them that no one had been harmed. Simply a smear campaign by anti-tory and anti-brexit newspapers aided and abetted by hateful neighbours.

I'm not sure a "smear campaign" applies here, "dose or reality" seems much more appropriate.

McHrozni

 

[Samson]

Why? The conversation was loud enough to be heard in a neighboring flat. This is by definition a very public conversation, almost a public speech really.

Installing a hidden microphone would be different, recording a conversation that doesn't require more than a smartphone app in your own home isn't that controversial.



I'm not sure a "smear campaign" applies here, "dose or reality" seems much more appropriate.

McHrozni

Just missing from the debate is the illusion of privacy in a high walled garden, where one may be annoyed if one regretfully finds a neighbour always had a recording device always running.
Reductio ad absurdem, but is there a difference?

 

[McHrozni]

Just missing from the debate is the illusion of privacy in a high walled garden, where one may be annoyed if one regretfully finds a neighbour always had a recording device always running.
Reductio ad absurdem, but is there a difference?

Yes.

Gardens don't come with a roof but more importantly, the neighbor didn't have a recording device always running. He switched one on in order to record an incident that might result in someone getting injured or killed.

If you're in a high-walled garden and get in a shouting match that ends in gunshots, getting recorded by a negihbor isn't a violation of your privacy. No matter what happened, even if the shots were blanks fired to spice up the wild make-up copulation.

McHrozni

 

[ceptimus]

The "concerned neighbour" didn't use the recording for giving evidence to the police. Instead (s)he gave (or sold?) it to a left-wing anti-brexit national newspaper.

The neighbourly thing to have done, after being informed by the police that no one was hurt and they were taking no further action, would have been to delete the recording.

 

[Wudang]

Boris has made this election about personality. He's refused debates and basically said it just takes confidence and personality to get the Brexit people are said to want. If he makes it about his personality he can hardly complain (but of course he will) if his personality is then discussed.

 

[ceptimus]

"personality" is not the same thing as "private life".

 

[Mr Fied]

The "concerned neighbour" didn't use the recording for giving evidence to the police. Instead (s)he gave (or sold?) it to a left-wing anti-brexit national newspaper.

The neighbourly thing to have done, after being informed by the police that no one was hurt and they were taking no further action, would have been to delete the recording.

The neighbourly thing would be to not have arguments that are loud enough to disturb your neighbours, especially when you are running for leader of a party that prides itself on family values **cough**.

 

[Mr Fied]

"personality" is not the same thing as "private life".

Keep it private then, don't let your private life be heard by your neighbours. Don't forget it wasn't just the neighbours that recorded the incident that heard it.

The neighbours didn't secretly plant listening devices in Boris's flat. If it wasn't for his arguments being heard in other parts of the building no one would have heard of any of this.

 

[Andy_Ross]

There have been a number of similar arguments over the last few weeks apparently.

 

[Darat]

"personality" is not the same thing as "private life".

If one wants a private life one keeps the screaming arguments quiet enough to not make them public.

 

[Darat]

The "concerned neighbour" didn't use the recording for giving evidence to the police. Instead (s)he gave (or sold?) it to a left-wing anti-brexit national newspaper.

The neighbourly thing to have done, after being informed by the police that no one was hurt and they were taking no further action, would have been to delete the recording.

Why is that neighbourly? I would have thought it was quite unneighbourly, what you mean is that it was disadvantageous to one neighbour. Johnson is not the sole neighbour in that neighbourhood.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Leave Brittney alone!!!

 

[Wudang]

Boris Johnson defended the Sun printing photos of Prince Harry naked. Seems he's changed his tune.



https://twitter.com/SunApology/status/1143168708459802624

 

[Nessie]

The "concerned neighbour" didn't use the recording for giving evidence to the police. Instead (s)he gave (or sold?) it to a left-wing anti-brexit national newspaper.

The neighbourly thing to have done, after being informed by the police that no one was hurt and they were taking no further action, would have been to delete the recording.

How do you know that the recording was not played to the police, or that the police were at least not made aware of it?

How do you know the recording was not offered to various newspapers/media and it was just that the Guardian that offered to pay the most?

Can I live next to you and disturb you with my shouting, since you think it is wrong to take action to stop it from happening again?

 

[P.J. Denyer]

How do you know that the recording was not played to the police, or that the police were at least not made aware of it?

How do you know the recording was not offered to various newspapers/media and it was just that the Guardian that offered to pay the most?

Can I live next to you and disturb you with my shouting, since you think it is wrong to take action to stop it from happening again?

Apparently the Guardian doesn't pay for stories, if profit was the motive, red tops would be the way to go.

 

[The Don]

Apparently the Guardian doesn't pay for stories, if profit was the motive, red tops would be the way to go.

It's good to see that the right wing disinformation machine is working as designed. Instead of the story being about Boris Johnson and his intemperate behaviour, as far as most of the media (and thus most of the UK population) is concerned, the story is now about how mean Boris Johnson's partner's neighbours were to record him.

It's what they do and we on the left fall for it every time, feel obliged to engage fully to defend the story rather than just repeating what Boris has done.

 

[Worm]

Latest conspiracy theory seems to be that the photo released showing Boris and his girlfriend in the garden seemingly quite happy, after the events of the weekend, is an old shot and not reflective of their current circumstances. Something to do with his hair being too long.

I'm really not sure I care.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

It's good to see that the right wing disinformation machine is working as designed. Instead of the story being about Boris Johnson and his intemperate behaviour, as far as most of the media (and thus most of the UK population) is concerned, the story is now about how mean Boris Johnson's partner's neighbours were to record him.

It's what they do and we on the left fall for it every time, feel obliged to engage fully to defend the story rather than just repeating what Boris has done.

Yes oddly they seem fine with the picture that the London Evening Standard took of the couple sitting in a garden holding hands despite the fact that it looks as though it's a pap pic.

It also doesn't show Johnson's face, the clothing they're wearing seems quite warm for the weather on the day it was supposed to be taken and Boris new "Serious Leader" haircut seems to have grown out in a day. But I'm sure that's nothing.

 

[Andy_Ross]

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We are about to see the installation of a scoundrel as PM by a small cabal of ageing xenophobic golf club bores who will crash us out of the EU causing irreparable damage to our country and it can’t be stopped. Think about that. Voters cannot stop Johnson and cannot stop no deal.

 

[SezMe]

The neighbours were going to be put through the SoMe wringer either way, just look at the imam who had the audacity of asking Boris Johnson if he regretted stitching up Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe.

I misread that the first time through.