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The neighbour didn't just 'hear' the row. (s)he taped it and then called the anti-tory Grauniad. We don't know yet how much the neighbour was paid by the Guardian for the recordings.

Also wasted police time by calling them out - although to be charitable, we didn't know that until after the event.

Would you want a neighbour that taped your conversations and passed them on to a national newspaper whenever you're having a domestic row? I wouldn't.
Would any of the things you object to have happened if it didn't involve a politician aspiring to power?

Also: yet again a lot of criticism for bringing something to light that deserves criticism, but no criticism for that thing itself.
 
Also wasted police time by calling them out - although to be charitable, we didn't know that their time had been wasted until after they'd attended and said that there was no need for them to have been there.

Bingo. You debunked your own claim in a single (hyphenated) sentence.
 
Now you're concentrating on one part of one sentence. Interesting tactic.

I claim that you agree with everything else in my post, and that you're attempting to distract attention away from that by this 'claim' nonsense.
 
the neighbour's statement in the Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...led-police-over-boris-johnson-row-goes-public

In a statement released on Saturday night, Penn, 29, said: “In the early hours of Friday morning, I answered a phone call from a takeaway food delivery driver. At the same time, I heard what sounded like shouting coming from the street.

“I went downstairs, on the phone to the driver, and collected my food. On the way back into my flat, it became clear that the shouting was coming from a neighbour’s flat. It was loud enough and angry enough that I felt frightened and concerned for the welfare of those involved, so I went inside my own home, closed the door, and pressed record on the voice memos app on my phone.

“After a loud scream and banging, followed by silence, I ran upstairs, and with my wife agreed that we should check on our neighbours. I knocked three times at their front door, but there was no response. I went back upstairs into my flat, and we agreed that we should call the police.

“The police arrived within five minutes. Our call was made anonymously, and no names were given to the police. They subsequently called back to thank us for reporting, and to let us know that nobody was harmed.

“To be clear, the recordings were of the noise within my own home. My sole concern up until this point was the welfare and safety of our neighbours. I hope that anybody would have done the same thing.

“Once clear that no one was harmed, I contacted the Guardian, as I felt it was of important public interest. I believe it is reasonable for someone who is likely to become our next prime minister to be held accountable for all of their words, actions and behaviours.

Utterly plausible.
 
The neighbour didn't just 'hear' the row. (s)he held a microphone against the wall and taped the conversation before calling the anti-tory Grauniad. We don't know yet how much the neighbour was paid by the Guardian for the recordings.

Also wasted police time by calling them out - although to be charitable, we didn't know that their time had been wasted until after they'd attended and said that there was no need for them to have been there.

Would you want a neighbour that taped your conversations and passed them on to a national newspaper whenever you're having a domestic row? I wouldn't.

Penn wasn't the only neighbour who witnessed it, there were at least two other households who reported a concerning fracas just after midnight. One called Fatimah said she was so worried she put her tv on mute and was about to call the police herself but then they turned up. Another neighbour walking past heard the contretemps and was also concerned.

Truth is, half the country is 'Remainer' and in London, nearer 70% so not sure why that is a news item, that Penn and his wife are remainers. The advice when complaining of noise from neighbours or a fight, is to record it. Any noise after 11:00 is a nuisance.
 
Penn wasn't the only neighbour who witnessed it, there were at least two other households who reported a concerning fracas just after midnight. One called Fatimah said she was so worried she put her tv on mute and was about to call the police herself but then they turned up. Another neighbour walking past heard the contretemps and was also concerned.

Truth is, half the country is 'Remainer' and in London, nearer 70% so not sure why that is a news item, that Penn and his wife are remainers. The advice when complaining of noise from neighbours or a fight, is to record it. Any noise after 11:00 is a nuisance.

Not to mention the notion that the neighbours should just have ignored potential domestic violence, but I guess its all part of that nostalgia for the good old days...
 
The neighbour didn't just 'hear' the row. (s)he held a microphone against the wall and taped the conversation before calling the anti-tory Grauniad. We don't know yet how much the neighbour was paid by the Guardian for the recordings.

Also wasted police time by calling them out - although to be charitable, we didn't know that their time had been wasted until after they'd attended and said that there was no need for them to have been there.

Would you want a neighbour that taped your conversations and passed them on to a national newspaper whenever you're having a domestic row? I wouldn't.
I would like anyone who hears any potential domestic abuse to report it,

why are you against reporting potential domestic abuse when you hear it?

What is up with you?
 
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As a member of the public, one has a right to know of disturbances caused by persons that are so disruptive, they can be heard in other persons homes.

As a member of the public, one has a right to know of disturbances caused by persons that hold or seek to attain public office or some position of significant institutional or social influence.

Also, It is not "charitable" to include in one's considerations that knowledge gained subsequent to an action (that ultimately lead to the very acquisition of said knowledge) shouldn't discredit the decision made with the information available.

In fact, it kinda reeks of a sad attempt to seem like you're being "as fair as possible, perhaps even too fair" when in reality you're just casting shade.

But go on, contort yourself into whatever pretzels you like to be upset at this egregious violation of "privacy" (that could be heard in several other people's homes).
 
If he's reminded the promise of Brexit was "no downside, only a considerable upside" and now he's even worse off than before due to Brexit, if he's reminded the story changed from "we have all the cards" to "EU is bullying us and we have no cards", chances are he'll convert. Many will, I think - not all, but you don't need all. You need plurality, majority tops.

Let's look at Dump as a possible bellwether. It's been three years since he came down that escalator. Three years of endless lies and actions that harm his base as much as anyone. Where does he stand now?

Not much has changed, actually. His polls remain basically unchanged (dismal, mind you, but steady). His approval among the GOP is over 80% and few other GOPers have had the cojones to get in his face.

I have seen a few articles along the lines of "well, maybe he wasn't a good choice" and some stating they were taken. But I'd guess that such losses are like Hawking radiation: it'll take a loooooong time to have an effect.

That said, outside the Deplorables, I think there has been a big shift in opinion of our prez and I'd guess that trend will continue. But again, the shift outside the base is probably "wobbly", to borrow from the Iron Lady. I can imagine some recidivism, especially if the damn fool gets the USA into a hot military conflict.

tl;dr version. You're right that change can happen but it's not easy nor rapid and there's a certain percentage (20-25% ??) that are immune to any facts , no matter how damning.
 
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The neighbour didn't just 'hear' the row. (s)he held a microphone against the wall and taped the conversation before calling the anti-tory Grauniad. We don't know yet how much the neighbour was paid by the Guardian for the recordings.

Also wasted police time by calling them out - although to be charitable, we didn't know that their time had been wasted until after they'd attended and said that there was no need for them to have been there.

Would you want a neighbour that taped your conversations and passed them on to a national newspaper whenever you're having a domestic row? I wouldn't.

Wow. Any act in your world no matter how evil can be entirely excused on foot of the mode of recording.

Does the term "moral bankruptcy" ring a bell?
 
Water off a ducks back. This is just the UK being how it was in the good old days. Only reinforces support for Boris.


Johnson to declined to answer questions about the incident at a hustings event in Birmingham, in central England, saying that party members would rather hear about his plans for Britain than about the incident.


"I don't think (audience members) want to hear about that kind of thing, unless I'm wrong," Johnson said on Saturday when asked about the incident, to applause from the audience.


QED
 
I am with Ceptimus on this one. Who cares If Boris beats up or rapes the young girl he is shacked up with, he championed Brexit.

Boris is literally the British Trump, doesn't matter that he's an adulterer who has been sacked twice for dishonesty, only gave up his US citizenship when the IRS sent him a tax bill and might have indulged in a little domestic abuse, so long as he delivers a diamond hard Brexit who cares whether he's fit to be PM?
 
It's one thing reporting (anonymously) to the police if you're worried that someone may have been hurt. It's a completely different thing to record the conversation and give the recording to a national newspaper.

Note the story is now that they only contacted the newspaper after the police had already informed them that no one had been harmed. Simply a smear campaign by anti-tory and anti-brexit newspapers aided and abetted by hateful neighbours.
 
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It's one thing reporting (anonymously) to the police if you're worried that someone may have been hurt. It's a completely different thing to record the conversation and give the recording to a national newspaper.

Note the story is now that they only contacted the newspaper after the police had already informed them that no one had been harmed. Simply a smear campaign by anti-tory and anti-brexit newspapers aided and abetted by hateful neighbours.
They give their reasons for why they contacted the media here..
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...led-police-over-boris-johnson-row-goes-public
 
It's one thing reporting (anonymously) to the police if you're worried that someone may have been hurt. It's a completely different thing to record the conversation and give the recording to a national newspaper.

Note the story is now that they only contacted the newspaper after the police had already informed them that no one had been harmed. Simply a smear campaign by anti-tory and anti-brexit newspapers aided and abetted by hateful neighbours.
And so your objection is...?
 
It's one thing reporting (anonymously) to the police if you're worried that someone may have been hurt. It's a completely different thing to record the conversation and give the recording to a national newspaper.

Note the story is now that they only contacted the newspaper after the police had already informed them that no one had been harmed. Simply a smear campaign by anti-tory and anti-brexit newspapers aided and abetted by hateful neighbours.

Or just maybe character matters for a potential PM? And no one needs to smear Johnson, the truth does just fine. But of course you're willing to embrace him regardless just so long as he kicks out all those nasty foreigners
 
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