Michael Avenatti thread

Craig4 said:
But he still deserves credit for damage he did to Trump. He's a sleezeball but he was the sleezeball to put a hole in Trump's armor. He needs to pay for what he did but that doesn't mean his hurting Trump was a bad thing.
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theprestige said:
I keep seeing this claim repeated by you... And nowhere else. What exactly was the big win?
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Trump himself seems largely unscathed. Cohen on the other hand is headed to prison. I'm not sure how much of the credit for that goes to Avenatti. Stormy Daniels got her story out to the public. She got a book deal. Avenatti stole her book deal money from her. His lawsuits against Trump didn't seem to do much. Daniels ended up having to pay Trump's lawyers for at least one of them.

As far as the damage to Trump's reputation, it doesn't seem to have hurt it much because I think he was already a known serial womanizer.

Did it damage his marriage? I don't know about that, either. He's already on his third wife and she hasn't said anything in public about it. I think she knew what she was signing up for with Trump, and it wasn't the expectation that he would be 100% faithful since he wasn't faithful to his previous wives.
 
Puppycow said:
Trump himself seems largely unscathed. Cohen on the other hand is headed to prison. I'm not sure how much of the credit for that goes to Avenatti. Stormy Daniels got her story out to the public. She got a book deal. Avenatti stole her book deal money from her. His lawsuits against Trump didn't seem to do much. Daniels ended up having to pay Trump's lawyers for at least one of them.

As far as the damage to Trump's reputation, it doesn't seem to have hurt it much because I think he was already a known serial womanizer.

Did it damage his marriage? I don't know about that, either. He's already on his third wife and she hasn't said anything in public about it. I think she knew what she was signing up for with Trump, and it wasn't the expectation that he would be 100% faithful since he wasn't faithful to his previous wives.
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Melania is all like, "Better her than me . . ."
 
Puppycow said:
Trump himself seems largely unscathed. Cohen on the other hand is headed to prison. I'm not sure how much of the credit for that goes to Avenatti. Stormy Daniels got her story out to the public. She got a book deal. Avenatti stole her book deal money from her. His lawsuits against Trump didn't seem to do much. Daniels ended up having to pay Trump's lawyers for at least one of them.

As far as the damage to Trump's reputation, it doesn't seem to have hurt it much because I think he was already a known serial womanizer.

Did it damage his marriage? I don't know about that, either. He's already on his third wife and she hasn't said anything in public about it. I think she knew what she was signing up for with Trump, and it wasn't the expectation that he would be 100% faithful since he wasn't faithful to his previous wives.
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xjx388 said:
Melania is all like, "Better her than me . . ."
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Don't get me wrong.

If it's The One Thing, then it's The One Thing, for better or for worse, and we'll have to deal with that fact as it comes.

Progressives have been searching for this grail since before the election. How gratifying it would be to some of them, if they've actually had it in their hands for almost a year now. But is that true? Is anybody besides Craig4 actually talking about this? I don't watch Maddow - is she talking about this? Is it coming up at all in NPR programming? Or is this supposed to be a delayed-fuse bomb? Nothing now, but after the primaries the Democratic nominee will start hammering Trump on it? "Yes, Mister President, but remember Avenatti-Daniels-Cohen!" and his feet of clay will crumble? Something like that?
 
Puppycow said:
As far as the damage to Trump's reputation, it doesn't seem to have hurt it much because I think he was already a known serial womanizer.
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I do think that there is some value in the Daniels (and Karen McDougal) revelations.

Even though people knew Trump was a womanizer in earlier marriages, having more concrete proof that such activities continued into his 3rd marriage is useful.

- the publicity and legal fallout has removed former Trump allies (Cohen as his lawyer, the National Enquirer running interference)

- It makes it harder for Trump's evangelical supporters to justify their support of Trump. (When people see various christian groups suggesting Trump is doing gods work, then hear about him and Stormy, it reflects badly on them.)

- It may set the stage for future legal actions against Trump

Now, it is unfortunate that Avenatti played a part in it. It would have been nice if the case was handled by someone who was just as charismatic but less corrupt, so that it wouldn't provide cover for Trump supporters. "Yeah Trump banged a porn star and engaged in illegal activities to cover it up, but Daniel's lawyer was corrupt, so you can ignore all the fraud Trump has engaged in."
 
Avenitti is textbook example of why "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is not always a good way to go.
Man, the guy is so corrupt that even Wolfram and Harte would not hire him .....
 
dudalb said:
Avenitti is textbook example of why "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is not always a good way to go.
Man, the guy is so corrupt that even Wolfram and Harte would not hire him .....
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Well, he’s certainly no Angel
 
Avenatti will almost certainly get more prison time than Manafort, Cohen or anyone else involved in Trump's criminal organizations.
Which just goes to show that betraying a client for personal gain is considered to be worse than betraying your country for personal gain.
 
dudalb said:
Avenitti is textbook example of why "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is not always a good way to go.
Man, the guy is so corrupt that even Wolfram and Harte would not hire him .....
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No, Avenatti simply revealed the completely childish detachment from reality of the typical liberal or neoliberal. It's actually jaw-dropping to contemplate their fawning over this not-so-high-functioning sociopath right up until a mere few months ago. You. Couldn't. Make. This, ****. Up.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
No, Avenatti simply revealed the completely childish detachment from reality of the typical liberal or neoliberal. It's actually jaw-dropping to contemplate their fawning over this not-so-high-functioning sociopath right up until a mere few months ago. You. Couldn't. Make. This, ****. Up.
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To be fair, the right has trump... it’s not as if either side is immune to partisan cheering
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Avenatti will almost certainly get more prison time than Manafort, Cohen or anyone else involved in Trump's criminal organizations.
Which just goes to show that betraying a client for personal gain is considered to be worse than betraying your country for personal gain.
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Is that how you perceive someone who straight-up embezzled nearly $3M from a disabled client? Defrauded the federal tax payments of hundreds of employees? Wow, the "rationalising" of a neoliberal.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
No, Avenatti simply revealed the completely childish detachment from reality of the typical liberal or neoliberal. It's actually jaw-dropping to contemplate their fawning over this not-so-high-functioning sociopath right up until a mere few months ago. You. Couldn't. Make. This, ****. Up.
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1.) You should read more of this thread. Most here liked when Avenatti was going after Trump but the man himself is not well liked.

2.) I would encourage you to look up the meaning of neo-liberal. The term is often used to describe Margret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
Is that how you perceive someone who straight-up embezzled nearly $3M from a disabled client? Defrauded the federal tax payments of hundreds of employees? Wow, the "rationalising" of a neoliberal.
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you misunderstand me - possibly deliberately.

I have been a fan of Avenatti, and I have no problem with him getting 30 years.
I do have a problem with Manafort, who is the causal link to the deaths of hundreds of thousands getting only 7 1/2 years.

Ratrionalise this.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
you misunderstand me - possibly deliberately.

I have been a fan of Avenatti, and I have no problem with him getting 30 years.I do have a problem with Manafort, who is the causal link to the deaths of hundreds of thousands getting only 7 1/2 years.

Ratrionalise this.
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I think you misunderstood me. What amazes me is that you (and so many others like you) were so easily gulled by such a transparent fake - he was never even particularly good at acting like a 'good guy' and it just bespeaks such staggeringly bad judgement.
 
I, on the other hand, was never a fan of Avenatti, but loved what he was doing to to Trump. He's a sleazy lawyer who represented a sleazy pornstar and showed what a sleazeball Trump is.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
I think you misunderstood me. What amazes me is that you (and so many others like you) were so easily gulled by such a transparent fake - he was never even particularly good at acting like a 'good guy' and it just bespeaks such staggeringly bad judgement.
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People are often guilty of seeing what they want to see. We all do it; liberal, neo-liberals, conservatives, far-right, moderates, you name it. The difference I see here is that those who may have initially supported Avenatti because of what he was doing, are largely now acknowledging that he is a crook and a sleazebag. But you cannot deny that he brought Daniel's story to the forefront and helped expose Trump's sleazy affairs, lies, and cover-ups. On the other hand, not everyone has the ability to admit when someone they have supported has repeatedly shown s/he is unworthy of that support because they are a lying corrupt POS.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
I think you misunderstood me. What amazes me is that you (and so many others like you) were so easily gulled by such a transparent fake - he was never even particularly good at acting like a 'good guy' and it just bespeaks such staggeringly bad judgement.
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that's news to me.
Why don't you quote a post of mine that would support this?
 
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