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The Trump Presidency 13: The (James) Baker's Dozen

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The Big Dog said:
It is odd how the leftist liars claim he promised to do something

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5ec69ce24565

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/times-donald-trump-release-tax-returns-article-1.3061868

https://www.salon.com/2019/04/03/why-have-we-not-seen-trumps-tax-returns-yet_partner/

All deliberately use the word promise, that lie has been repeated here, pointing out that it is a lie now becomes a quibble.

Folk the leftists are gaslighting you.
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"If I decide to run for office, I'll produce my tax returns, absolutely. And I would love to do that," he said in an interview with Ireland's TV3. Not misquoted either. Happens at about 1:40 into the interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg-5KEt1Abg

Promise defined - noun
a declaration that something will or will not be done, given, etc., by one: unkept political promises.
an express assurance on which expectation is to be based: promises that an enemy will not win.

So yes, under the common definition of the word Promise, he did, in fact, promise to supply his returns.

How would you categorize the statement "If I decide to run for office, I'll produce my tax returns, absolutely. And I would love to do that," and has yet to do so. A lie, perhaps? A pair of lies? Unkept promise?
 
The Big Dog said:
looks at thesaurus.... promised.... I don't see the word "absolutely." Hmmm.

I recommend you invest in a better one.
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Looks at thesaurus.... promise....

promise

Part of speech: noun
Definition 1: statement that something absolutely will happen or be done.

similar words: guarantee, oath, obligation, pledge, vow, warrant, word​

I recommend you invest in a better one.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump has gone from saying he would release his taxes to we will never see his taxes.
How can anyone support a man who’s word means nothing whether he uses the word promise or not?
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It's OK, he is still at his holy war. That is what the 40% voted him in for. To get rid of the foreigners. Because America has no foreigners, just Americans. Who come from.. America.

This will also be the basis of his 2020 election. Just the same old same old. Because that is still the maximum number of votes he get.

If he does anything else but the hate thing, he gets 38-39% of votes. You need 43%. Nixon showed that.

Still awful. 38% of Americans hate all the rest of us.
 
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GlennB said:
Already quoted by newyorkguy, what what the hell:

MAY 20, 2014:

More than a year before he announced his presidential campaign, Trump told an Irish television station that he would "absolutely" release his tax returns if he entered the race.

"If I decide to run for office, I'll produce my tax returns, absolutely," he said. "And I would love to do that."
He lied. You're either wrong or using an understanding of 'promise' that is unique among non-deranged adults.
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TBD probably thinks it doesn’t count as a lie because he wasn’t under oath.
 
Mojo said:
TBD probably thinks it doesn’t count as a lie because he wasn’t under oath.
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Actually, I said it does not count as a promise.

Further, if he had every intention of doing it then, but changed his mind based on a change of circumstances it is fact not a lie.

And that is what happened because before the primaries, he said that he would do it if Hillary released her emails.
 
The Big Dog said:
Actually, I said it does not count as a promise.

Further, if he had every intention of doing it then, but changed his mind based on a change of circumstances it is fact not a lie.

And that is what happened because before the primaries, he said that he would do it if Hillary released her emails.
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TragicMonkey said:
It may generate waves but the waves themselves aren't sound. Sound is the brain's way of perceiving those waves. So if there's nobody there to hear there is no sound.
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Sound is the measurable phonemena. You're thinking of "hearing", which is a sensory system.
 
Norman Alexander said:
MOVING ON!

Devin Nunes is trying to act the tough guy by dragging up stuff from January 2017. Clearly this is an attempt to create a furor of RIGHTeousness by emulating the Mueller enquiry but against some shadowy "enemies". Problem is, we all know who the leakers were: Donald Trump and his team of newly-installed loudmouth japesters. Same people who can't keep their mouths shut around the office as now. So it would be amusing if Nunes was to hook his own ass on this fishing expedition.



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...lcolm-turnbull-could-lead-to-criminal-charges

ETA: Malcolm Turnbull was the Australian PM that week.
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Trumpers like Nunes are still trying to prove this falsehood:
was marred by lies and false information to obtain Fisa warrants.
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It's as if they believe Trump can get off on a technicality. :rolleyes:
 
Trump 'changed his mind?' about releasing his tax returns because of 'something' he didn't want revealed. You mean like this:

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TragicMonkey said:
It may generate waves but the waves themselves aren't sound. Sound is the brain's way of perceiving those waves. So if there's nobody there to hear there is no sound.
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Not to sidetrack the thread but isn't this a philosophical argument? Tree falling in the woods and all that? Is there a settled answer to that question?
 
JoeMorgue said:
I'm sick of "gaslighting." I don't at what point we all agreed that somebody pointing out you are wrong or disagreeing with you is somehow a form of psychological warfare, but it's getting old.
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People are also not always using the term, gaslighting, correctly. But I think we should get back to discussing the gaslighter in chief.

NVMD, I didn't realize I was 4 pages back.
 
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Stacyhs said:
Why is this so difficult for some people to understand?:confused:
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I have no doubts some people were genuinely interested in the conversation topic, but I'm also confident some people just like to argue. Why Trump lying seems to even be a conversation point is beyond me.
 
People are using reference books as citations in the argument about promises?!

You guys are really close to succeeding. I’m sure if you explain just one more time exactly how the bishop moves, the pigeon will understand it.


ETA besides, even if you get every single Trump supporter to believe he made a promise and then broke it, so what? It won’t change anything. It’s not like you can say “see. He broke a promise, therefore you must not support him.”

What the House is doing is perfectly legal, appropriate, and necessary if we expect the system of checks and balances to work.
 
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Remember the days when “a man’s word is his honor” seemed to be at the heart of American conservative values? You would see TV sitcom fathers having earnest discussions with their children after getting caught out telling even inconsequential lies.

In the post-values world of Trump’s America even the facade of virtue has been torn down.
 
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