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McHrozni said:
EU has two choices: allow an extension until the end of June, or allow a long extension of over a year, to allow for a general election or a referendum (or both). It became clear yesterday the deal can not be decided upon again in the House of Commons and Parliament stated it doesn't want a no deal.

The only remaining options are:

1. renegotiating the deal enough to be materially different, this option exists only in theory as EU already ruled that out plus there isn't enough time
2. referendum for the deal, this requires an extension of about a year at least
3. a new general election, this too would require an extension of at least one year

A sensible approach for the EU would be to offer an extension of four years. A delay this long ensures sufficient time to run a referendum if UK wants one, it also ensures at least one general election will be held in the meantime so the deal can be rerun through the parliament and hopefully pass and even after all that it still leaves enough time to renegotiate the deal entirely. It also allows UK to contest the European Elections and have their MEPs run the full term (or thereabout), limiting any problems with legality and representation.

It is possible to renegotiate the deal, if UK lets go of some self-imposed red lines. Expect any new deal to be notably worse for the UK than this one, but a different deal may still be possible - it just turns the UK into a colony of the EU, rather than a priviledged member.

If Brexit is extended by several years I expect there will be none in the end.

McHrozni
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Just develop some courage and drop the lunacy.
BTW the UK's EP seats have been reallocated.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The UK could negotiate the rules on how to leave the EU within the EU parliamentary framework for the next five years.
And then it absolutely could apply to leave again, under the new rules.

At this point, nothing else makes sense.
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Not making any sense is what got us into this situation surely it will be what gets us out of it!!!
 
Hlafordlaes said:
BREXIT: "The LEAVE leaflet must win prize for MOST DISHONEST leaflet ever" - Baroness Quin

Hear, hear.
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I guess this was what you were after: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbLPjSST3dI

The quote that followed was just as good. From Hansard:
It is true, as the Minister often tells us, that the referendum turnout was impressive, but the result was close and the amount of misinformation—on both sides—was shocking. I recently looked again at the main leave leaflet, which must surely win the prize for the most dishonest leaflet ever issued during a public vote. It struck me that, despite it having been claimed ever since that we voted against being part of the single market, in this main leave leaflet there was not one mention of the single market.
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Nessie said:
Well, the British yet again leads the world and provides a great example to others; in how not to try and wind the clock back and live in the past, whilst shooting ones self in the foot.
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Whilst proclaiming that being shot in the foot is exactly what half of the population voted for so we would be wrong not to institute compulsory foot shooting for every man, woman and child!
 
Dave Rogers said:
Jesus. May has just said that the House of Commons has rejected no-deal, Labour's deal and a customs union, so they're all definitely off the table, and then gone on to ask MP's to back her deal. She has not the slightest vestige of either consistency or self-awareness.



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I know I'm like a broken record player, but she is totally consistent if you consider what she is interested in being consistent about, I. E. being PM.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
How lateer is 'later'?

If there weren't restrictions what would stop a50 being used as a constant negotiating tool or for political posturing?
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What you often find is that people would have discussed how such an article would be reasonably enacted, I mean which country would enact the article without knowing the extreme consequences and having a plan in place for leaving? No country would be so stupid or niave?
 
So, according to Robert Peston's sources, May will give a statement to the nation tonight. She is currently hosting opposition leaders at No. 10. And given her statement at PMQ's earlier today, that she won't be the PM who takes an extension past June 30, it's no wonder rumours of either a Tory party leadership contest, if not an outright general election, are beginning warming up.
 
angrysoba said:
Christ! He wants the Commons to pass the same deal that’s been rejected. Umm...how?
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Presumably he's just laying out the options. Pass a brexit deal next week and you get a short extension, because if you don't, then it's either a long extension or a no-deal brexit.
 
Darat said:
And France has said they will veto the extension...
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Good for them. Alas it's not quite that clear cut. Macron will veto a extension without purpose.
However Tusk has stated that if there is a "positive vote" in the the HoC next week "we can finalise and formalise the decision on extension in the written procedure".

So there are three options:
1. The Maybot's deal - rejected twice and not open for a third vote
2. Crash and burn.
3. Abandon the insanity.
 
KDLarsen said:
And the President of the European Council, Donald Tusk, has stated that the EU will only grant a short extension if MP's pass a Brexit deal.
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“Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle. "That's some catch, that Catch-22," he observed. "It's the best there is," Doc Daneeka agreed.” - Joseph Heller
 
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