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Well, the British yet again leads the world and provides a great example to others; in how not to try and wind the clock back and live in the past, whilst shooting ones self in the foot.
 
McHrozni said:
A trillion pounds is leaving the UK for Europe.

At 350 million pounds per week, UK is set to break even around 2027, assuming no other bills pile up and not including compound interest or other factors.

https://www.ft.com/content/016171be-4a74-11e9-8b7f-d49067e0f50d

At the more realistic 100 million pounds per week that comes out into mid-2040s, not including other Brexit related expenses.

I have a feeling the "50 years to first benefits" was wildly optimistic.

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A trillion in assets in banks is not the same as income for the Government/country.
 
So despite promising Parliament that she would ask for a long extension if she couldn't agree a deal, and passing a motion to that effect TM is now saying she won't. And will ask only for 3 months to appease her Brexiteer contingent.

It's a ******* disgrace quite frankly. And if she can get away with it then our constitution seems fundamentally flawed.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
So despite promising Parliament that she would ask for a long extension if she couldn't agree a deal, and passing a motion to that effect TM is now saying she won't. And will ask only for 3 months to appease her Brexiteer contingent.

It's a ******* disgrace quite frankly. And if she can get away with it then our constitution seems fundamentally flawed.
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How long should she ask for? Three more months would mean we spent 27 months negotiating a quick and dirty agreement to last 18 months. Remember the deal is only for the transition period up until 31/12/20.

If I was May I would withdraw article 50 and forget about a transition period. What is the point of a transition period where nothing changes apart from us losing our seat at the table?

She can then put work into negotiating the long term agreement and once* that is agreed she can re-enact article 50 and we can leave pretty much straight away.



* :D
 
Jesus. May has just said that the House of Commons has rejected no-deal, Labour's deal and a customs union, so they're all definitely off the table, and then gone on to ask MP's to back her deal. She has not the slightest vestige of either consistency or self-awareness.

Dave
 
You only get one shot at a50.
If it is withdrawn we can't re-apply.
 
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So there it is, May's master plan: 3 month extension, not a day more, and a meaningful vote #3 to see if the latest briberies have had an effect.

Dave Rogers said:
Apparently democracy in the UK is all but dead, according to Trump Jr., because we didn't do exactly what his daddy told us to.

Twat.

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In case people had forgotten Trump's master plan for leaving the EU, instead of negotiating, it involved suing the EU for.. reasons.. :rolleyes:
 
That was quick, the EU has shot back to state than any extension must end on May 23, the date of the EU elections, or at the end of 2019.

Oh, and if May wants anything to get through the European parliament before it is dissolved ahead of those elections, she'll have to be quick, as that's already on April 18.
 
Dave Rogers said:
Jesus. May has just said that the House of Commons has rejected no-deal, Labour's deal and a customs union, so they're all definitely off the table, and then gone on to ask MP's to back her deal. She has not the slightest vestige of either consistency or self-awareness.

Dave
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Hey none of those are record setting defeats, so clearly they don't count. Unless you are in the top 5 defeats ever you of course don't get to come up for a vote again immediately.

Seriously I think she wants her deal to be most of the list of biggest defeats in history.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
You only get kne shot at a50.
If it is withdrawn we can't re-apply.
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That's not correct I don't think.

You can't withdraw it with the intention of re-applying later, but if you withdraw it there is no way a country could be bound indefinitely in the EU.

And what would the punishment be? Getting kicked out? ;)
 
KDLarsen said:
That was quick, the EU has shot back to state than any extension must end on May 23, the date of the EU elections, or at the end of 2019.

Oh, and if May wants anything to get through the European parliament before it is dissolved ahead of those elections, she'll have to be quick, as that's already on April 18.
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I can kind of see the logic about the elections, although surely anytime before the new parliament sat would be OK? Which I think is July.

Not sure what the significance of the end of the year is though.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
That's not correct I don't think.

You can't withdraw it with the intention of re-applying later, but if you withdraw it there is no way a country could be bound indefinitely in the EU.

And what would the punishment be? Getting kicked out? ;)
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How lateer is 'later'?

If there weren't restrictions what would stop a50 being used as a constant negotiating tool or for political posturing?
 
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Has junker said if the May 23rd deadline is acceptable regardless, or does the UK still need to present a strategy for that deadline?
 
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How lateer is 'later'?

If there weren't restrictions what would stop a50 being used as a constant negotiating tool or for political posturing?
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Its untested because nobody has ever previously been stupid enough to trigger A50 let alone try to do it twice!!!

I guess it would go to the courts to decide if either the EU refused to accept a withdrawal or refused to accept a re-submission
 
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The UK could negotiate the rules on how to leave the EU within the EU parliamentary framework for the next five years.
And then it absolutely could apply to leave again, under the new rules.

At this point, nothing else makes sense.
 
dudalb said:
I think the attitude that they should let the kid touch the hot stove lid with hand and learn the hard way is gaining daily/
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Yeah, I've been at a couple of seminars recently and there is little sympathy for the idiotic Brits.

quadraginta said:
To keep it in the spirit of Parliament it would be sans serif ... but with all those little squiggles and tails on the ends of the letters.
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You mean a serif font?
Serifs and terminators are the preferred terms.
 
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