qayak
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The "Big Brother is Watching" threat was a pretty powerful tool back in the glorious old Soviet Union, wasn't it Comrade?
Sexually abusing a child while Female
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The "Big Brother is Watching" threat was a pretty powerful tool back in the glorious old Soviet Union, wasn't it Comrade?
Except that i wouldn't do anything like that. I'm more than levelheaded enough to keep myself from impulsively resulting to violence, so that instead of acting like a violent thug i would take the matter to the police since having sex with someone under the age of 15 is a criminal offence where i live. Even if it were legal i wouldn't take the law into my own hands and attack you. Seriously. Then I would be the criminal and how would that make things better?
Although i would potentially avoid bringing in the cops until i had a discussion with my son, since that could complicate things a whole lot if such a relationship was ultimately benign. The harm arising from having someone you actually love or have strong affection towards dragged into court and sentenced to prison, partly because of your own actions, can easily outweigh whatever positive beneficial effect there is in doing that.
Such laws are supposed to be for their benefit, to "protect" them, yet it's quite obvious that this "protection" can come to cause both them and the rest of society more harm than good.
You are making a complete fool out of yourself, you know that right? Take a couple of deep breaths, regain your composure and re-read what i wrote and you should realize that i wasn't speaking of pedophilia.
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In the first post you quoted you mustn't have read it as it clearly states "..are problematic enough that prohibiting them is more than reasonable.." That is someone explicitly stating that such relationships should be prohibited, the exact opposite of what you claimed he said.
Craig4
Penultimate Amazing
It's interesting that both the article in the OP and the one above about the Georgia teacher call the abuse a relationship. I doubt anyone would use that word if a male had been abusing a female student. You don't exactly hear stories about priest sexually abusing altar boys having a relationship either.
p0lka
Illuminator
You are still doing it...
you are even adding words that no one said, 'yearning' and 'ripe', I'll keep an eye on that.
I merely referred to me at a younger age, If she was my teacher at that age I would have fancied her.
you understand that people can refer to their previous mind states at a younger age yeah?
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Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
This is not an acceptable excuse for not turning in an adult who has been molesting a kid.
Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
Yeah, except the same person then went on to opine that such relationships are "merely inappropriate, not abusive" and that prohibiting them can cause both the victims and society "more harm than good", which are frankly indefensible opinions.
I started having sex 4 years before I could legally have sex. Not one of the sexual partners I had abused me, took advantage of me and so on and some were older than me. For obvious reasons we have an age of consent and I'm not arguing we should do away with it, but as we all know that varies a lot around the world which is why I believe we have to in part be careful when we say a relationship is abusive or not based simply on a black and white line in legislation.
And sadly because of the nature of the last few posts I know I have to add (even though it should never need to be said as it is always the case): in the above I am not talking about paedophilia as that never involves a relationship no matter what any paedophile may claim, it is always abusive and every baby, toddler and child should be protected against paedophilia.
Explain how you find it so incredibly obvious that it's justified to report someone to the police for a crime even-though doing so would cause greater harm to the victim of said criminal than refraining from doing so?
Note here that i did not state that i'd tolerate such an illicit relationship. Giving them an ultimatum where they have to break up their relationship and not see each-other, or it will be reported to the police, seems very reasonable to me.
Why are you acting like a dishonest jerk? I said that if it was merely inappropriate, as opposed to being abusive or exploitative, then treating it as sexual abuse is needlessly excessive and draconian. How is that an "indefensible opinion"?
The fact that you didn't bother to justify such an completely absolute claim is really telling.
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Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
Because there is no such case. It is not possible to cause greater harm to a victim by turning their abuser into the police than would be caused by allowing the abuse to continue, or by quietly putting a stop to it but sweeping it under the rug as if it were no different from any other boyfriend/girlfriend you simply happened to personally disapprove of, as opposed to an actual crime.
The problem with what you said, is that if sets up a presumption that such a scenario (a sexual relationship between an adult and an adolescent that is "merely inappropriate", and not abusive or exploitative) is actually plausible, which is what I find indefensible.
You are assuming that it would be abusive when there's no reason to do so. There's a difference between an illicit relationship with someone that's underage and an abusive relationship. The fact that you seem to have such a incredible problem accepting this objective fact is just absurd.
It's almost like my now moved satirical post could've described your attitude perfectly.
And yet you refuse to offer any kind of justification for such grand sweeping claim that in all of history there has never ever been a sexual relationship between a teacher and their student that has never not been sexually abusive.
Now that's indefensible.
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Thermal
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Because no one has dropped down the elephant in the room ITT: yes, schoolboys fantasizing about sex with their attractive teachers is a well-known universal American phenomenon. In support of which, I submit the peer-reviewed research of Van Halen, Roth, et all:
Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
Sexual relationships between adults and children are exploitative by definition, which is the entire reason they are illegal and why the laws don't allow the adult to argue "but it wasn't abusive sex!" as a positive defense. I can't believe I have to explain this.
Belz...
Fiend God
Belz...
Fiend God
Pedophilia? 14 year old?
You should know what those terms mean before saying silly things.
Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
It could easily be, depending on the kid's physical appearance.
Belz...
Fiend God
It's possible but I don't think we can assume that it is. Besides that wasn't the point of Arcade's post and Sadhatter's response is downright insulting.
Your definition is clearly not consistent with reality nor is it consistent with the law.
It's perfectly legal to have sex and be in a sexual relationship with someone that's at least 15 years old where i live. Legally speaking anyone under the age of 18 is considered a child, or a minor if you will. Thus such a sexual relationship is not considered inherently sexually abusive neither legally nor otherwise. Consequently what you claim is empirically shown to be false. It's legal to have sex with a child, no matter how uneasy or creepy you think that sounds.
I know you are stuck up on this and refuse to acknowledge reality, but i hope you reconsider and stop trying to make reality fit your own personal taboos.
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Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
This thread started with a story from the US about an adult having sex with a 13-year-old. Trying to muddy the issue by invoking edge cases when called out on your generalities is intellectually dishonest. Obviously having sex with someone who is over the age of consent is not illegal, so why would such a case be relevant at all to the question of whether or not you should be informing the police about the relationship, or how informing the police could be "more harmful" than not doing so?
The Norseman
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Once again, people just cannot help themselves and stray off-topic before the ink is dry on the OP.
I'm not talking about off-topic in an ISF rules-sense but the FACTS of the case here are that
1) this teacher -- a position of authority
who is
2) an adult -- a position of authority
when referring to
a) a student -- a position of submission
who is
b) a 13 year-old child -- a position of submission
IS ILLEGAL and UNETHICAL for these reasons.
It has nothing to do with some imagined fantasy. It has nothing to do with peers and normal sexuality amongst the 16 - 18 year old crowd, nor does it have anything to do with 19 - twentysomethings who just so happen to have a sexual relationship with someone a few years younger who might be mature enough to be able to handle the relationship.
If people wish to condemn THESE FACTS then great. If people wish to defend THESE FACTS then even better. Maybe someone is willing to play devil's advocate to try and defend THIS SITUATION but I frankly do not.
To me, in my opinion, I think the double standards of gender in this case is probably the most compelling point of it all and I'm guessing that's why it was posted.
I'm not talking about off-topic in an ISF rules-sense but the FACTS of the case here are that
1) this teacher -- a position of authority
who is
2) an adult -- a position of authority
when referring to
a) a student -- a position of submission
who is
b) a 13 year-old child -- a position of submission
IS ILLEGAL and UNETHICAL for these reasons.
It has nothing to do with some imagined fantasy. It has nothing to do with peers and normal sexuality amongst the 16 - 18 year old crowd, nor does it have anything to do with 19 - twentysomethings who just so happen to have a sexual relationship with someone a few years younger who might be mature enough to be able to handle the relationship.
If people wish to condemn THESE FACTS then great. If people wish to defend THESE FACTS then even better. Maybe someone is willing to play devil's advocate to try and defend THIS SITUATION but I frankly do not.
To me, in my opinion, I think the double standards of gender in this case is probably the most compelling point of it all and I'm guessing that's why it was posted.