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horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

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William Parcher said:
I'm surprised that you didn't include another which is similar to the bolded one...

The story is a lie and it isn't to cover up anything and he wasn't attacked by anyone anywhere and the injuries are self-inflicted and we just don't really know what the motive would be.
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Tell me how you self-inflict a broken rib?
 
CaptainHowdy said:
Has anybody said Morton Downy Jr. yet? I don't know how comparable Mort is to this guy as far as celebrity status. But back in the day, he was one of most obnoxious and successful trash television talk show hosts. He claimed he was attacked in a bathroom at SFO by neo-Nazis who roughed him up and drew a swastika on his chest. Unfortunately the arms of the swastika pointed to the left--a mistake no self-respecting neo-Nazi would make but somebody drawing a swastika on his chest while looking in a mirror might.

So, yes it does happen.
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Did they ever catch the guys?
 
CaptainHowdy said:
I wouldn't voluntarily give my phone to the police for any reason. I can totally understand why he would not want to give up his, even if he knows that there's nothing on the phone that the police could use against him for any reason. He's really in a tough position because it looks like he's not cooperating when he's merely doing what's prudent.

Phone or no phone, there are too many other holes in this story for me to believe that it's true. Not turning over his phone is not something that I consider evidence of anything.
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He doesn't have to turn over his phone, only give the police permission to access his phone records. He won't do that. The reason why is either that the phone call whilst he was attacked didn't happen, or he made other phone calls in that time period that, once investigated, would show there was no attack.
 
Mike! said:
How do we even know if he really has the reported broken rib or not? When did he go to the hospital?
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He did a hell of a lot of walking for someone with a broken rib. I've not had one but my mate did, and he had trouble shuffling from one room to the next.
 
MikeG said:
He probably assumed it was evidence, had DNA on it and possibly fingerprints, and wanted the police to collect it from where it was left. Or, possibly, he was unaware that it was there. The fact that he left evidence in situ shouldn't be taken as meaning that it wasn't evidence, or that it was faked evidence, or that there is something otherwise fishy with his story.
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Yes, that could be plausible. But it does sound a little odd, taken with the long delay before calling police and the rest. Forgive my cynicism, but if he was concerned about salvaging DNA evidence I don't think he would be taking a leisurely stroll after 2 in the morning in 5 degree F weather with said evidence flapping in the Chicago winds.

And I find it also hard to picture not noticing that someone tied a clothesline around your neck, either at the time or sometime in the next 45 minutes. Say, when you were taking off your heavy bleach-soaked and frozen winter coat. You would think that dangling rope around your neck would kind of stand out around then. Or when someone was tying it around your own neck.

Looking for the simplest explanation, I would say it sounds like he may have fallen and cracked his rib and cut his face, and either he or his manager came up with an opportunistic publicity stunt. We are not talking about Spy vs Spy level deception here. If they find these claimed attackers, or video of them, or anything along those lines, I would not assume they were actors or otherwise 'in on it'. But as-is, the whole story seems pretty shaky.
 
MikeG said:
Tell me how you self-inflict a broken rib?
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I brought it up earlier.
The big US cities have these Bird and Lime scooters all over, you just scan your phone on the bar code and take off on them.

They are fast, and the handles of a scooter are perfect for someone hitting a bump and flying forward, lower rib hitting the handle bar.

They are a fleet of deliciously tempting trauma makers.

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/01/31/electric-scooters-hospital-visits/

“I’ve seen pedestrians injured by scooters with broken hips, multiple bone fractures, broken ribs and joint injuries and soft tissue injuries like lacerations and deep abrasions,” said Ghurabi, estimating he sees several people injured by e-scooters each week
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PS- They are even more tempting after a few drinks.
 
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Some of you are really struggling with "self-inflicted". Self inflicted does not mean "had an accident" or "did something stupid". The accusation was that this was a self-inflicted injury, and that means a deliberate act of self-harm. I ask again, how does one self-inflict a broken rib?
 
Thermal said:
.......Looking for the simplest explanation, I would say it sounds like he may have fallen and cracked his rib and cut his face, and either he or his manager came up with an opportunistic publicity stunt..........
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No, the simplest explanation, which for the life of me I can't see why you people resist like it's bubonic plague, is that the guy is telling the truth. Until you've evidence to the contrary (and how long is it now?...plenty of time to have come up with something), that should be your default/ holding position.

The rest of this stuff is just stuff you've just plucked out of the air.
 
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Drewbot said:
I brought it up earlier.
The big US cities have these Bird and Lime scooters all over, you just scan your phone on the bar code and take off on them.

They are fast, and the handles of a scooter are perfect for someone hitting a bump and flying forward, lower rib hitting the handle bar.

They are a fleet of deliciously tempting trauma makers.

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/01/31/electric-scooters-hospital-visits/



PS- They are even more tempting after a few drinks.
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Maybe some of you pesky kids ought to get together with Scoobie to get your accusations straight. One poster has ascertained that all but sixty seconds of his time on the street is accounted for on CCTV clips. You've got him finding an e-scooter in those sixty seconds and crashing it and then walking away nonchalantly towards his friend's place with those potential injuries you cite.

I realize that it's a free for all, but the suppositions are just plain damned funny.
 
This was in response to 'how do you self inflict a rib injury'

I have no knowledge of how many seconds are unaccounted for.
 
Drewbot said:
This was in response to 'how do you self inflict a rib injury'

I have no knowledge of how many seconds are unaccounted for.
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???? And not knowing if it was remotely possible you suggested (more than once) that he could've done it on a Lime (e-scooter). That's not dissimilar to thinking he could've done it scuba diving. There's nothing in the narrative to support that either of those could've taken place.

But hey, it's open season for speculation, so might as well spill anything out on the stoop and see how many attaboys the fanz will lick up.
 
MikeG said:
No, the simplest explanation, which for the life of me I can't see why you people resist like it's bubonic plague, is that the guy is telling the truth. Until you've evidence to the contrary (and how long is it now?...plenty of time to have come up with something), that should be your default/ holding position.

The rest of this stuff is just stuff you've just plucked out of the air.
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Well...it sort of is my default, but a conditional one. The details need explanation to be plausible. Refusing to give your own phone records to assist police in their investigation? That is as suspicious as you get.

And I think the burden of proof would be on the claimant, no? Something happened to him, certainly (I find it silly to suggest he would have damaged himself). But I had never heard of this cat before this story (not a TV watcher). So under ye olde qui bono standard, he is benefiting with publicity and support for himself and causes. So I take the neutral regarding facts in evidence. The oddities are the reason I don't take it all at face value right out of the gate.
 
MikeG said:
Some of you are really struggling with "self-inflicted". Self inflicted does not mean "had an accident" or "did something stupid". The accusation was that this was a self-inflicted injury, and that means a deliberate act of self-harm. I ask again, how does one self-inflict a broken rib?
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Self inflicted gunshot wound?

Those are often not deliberate, yet they are called that.

AFAIK, it just means you did it to yourself, in whatever way.

Anyway, how long until one of these two attackers starts talking?
Do you think they will both be able to just keep quiet? What about their friends who may have seen them preparing rope and bleach?

How long until the two people in the video stills tell us what they saw Smollett doing across the road that night?
 
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