horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

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MikeG said:
That pile of speculation in your quote fails to account for the witness on the other end of the phone at the time of the attacks who heard the "MAGA" shouts.
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Highly unlikely.

* First, he happens to be on the phone to his manager when he's attacked.

* The manager can hear every detail of the attack, including the racist taunts.

* The manager doesn't bother to call the police or, as far as reported, even check how Smollett is.

* Smollett won't release phone records that would at least prove they were in contact at that time.

How many more red flags do you need before calling BS?
 
Drewbot said:
If he even actually has a broken rib...
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As I say, he must have a high pain threshold to wander round for half an hour with a broken rib. He didn't phone for an ambulance, he didn't call police and he didn't inform the security guard. I think we can add 'broken rib' to the list of unproven and unlikely elements in this story.
 
William Parcher said:
My thought was from an intentional fall to the ground. He may not have wanted to break a rib and instead wanted to cause a bruise or even just to get a lot of salt and dirt on his clothes. This all would be to make it look like the attackers roughed you up and you even got knocked down. So maybe he threw himself down onto a curb or some other thing that could cause a bruise. So maybe he hit his ribcage so hard that it broke a rib. And maybe he really didn't intend to cause that degree of self-injury.

Anyway, I think the report is of a fractured rib and that can even be a tiny hairline fracture. That's not the same as a major break.
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I'm going to quote this crap back at you when the attackers are convicted. It's going to be fun seeing you try to justify it.
 
Drewbot said:
OK maybe he borrowed someone's.
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If he broke a rib, it would likely have been caused by slipping on the ice/slush and landing on a rock hard chunk of murder MAGA COUNTRY ICE MURDER chunks.

Indeed your humble correspondent was almost murdered by an ice murder chunk this morning and was saved naught by Dame Fortune but rather by his dextricouscity.
 
Drewbot said:
OK maybe he borrowed someone's.
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We'd call this taking the piss. You're doing this as performance art, aren't you.

Oh, and if he borrowed someone elses, you'd have to re-write your little makey uppie story about phone records, scooter apps and not giving his phone to the police. Best get onto that, hadn't you.
 
William Parcher said:
My thought was from an intentional fall to the ground. He may not have wanted to break a rib and instead wanted to cause a bruise or even just to get a lot of salt and dirt on his clothes. This all would be to make it look like the attackers roughed you up and you even got knocked down. So maybe he threw himself down onto a curb or some other thing that could cause a bruise. So maybe he hit his ribcage so hard that it broke a rib. And maybe he really didn't intend to cause that degree of self-injury.

Anyway, I think the report is of a fractured rib and that can even be a tiny hairline fracture. That's not the same as a major break.
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I've picked out the most salient words in this pile.
 
MikeG said:
I'm going to quote this crap back at you when the attackers are convicted. It's going to be fun seeing you try to justify it.
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And I won't throw it back at you when it's proven to be a hoax because that's what an adult would do.:rolleyes:
 
If we are talking about the attack occurring on the walk back from the Subway, then the window is 10 minutes at most, I think.

So I think the exact time of the attack becomes important.

We'd also possibly have GPS location info at the time of the phone call.

The call should give the police precise time and location info.

There could be valuable evidence at the location, plus it would tell you what cameras are at the spot.

Do we know the elapsed time from leaving the Subway to arriving at the apartment? Even approximately?
 
Drewbot said:
I have no knowledge of how many seconds are unaccounted for.
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I keep reading that 60 seconds passes without any camera showing Smollett. He was in a "camera-free zone" for 60 seconds. The commentary is that if he really was attacked then it had to happen in those missing 60 seconds.
 
applecorped said:
And I won't throw it back at you when it's proven to be a hoax because that's what an adult would do.:rolleyes:
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Unfortunately it will never be proven. No evidence will be discovered to support it, plenty of red flags will remain and it will fade from public scrutiny with 90% of people believing it never happened and the other 10% bumbling around in their world of make-believe where masked MAGA white supremacist racist homophobic ninjas go round lynching - and scratching - black people on the streets of Chicago.
 
MikeG said:
No, the simplest explanation, which for the life of me I can't see why you people resist like it's bubonic plague, is that the guy is telling the truth. Until you've evidence to the contrary (and how long is it now?...plenty of time to have come up with something), that should be your default/ holding position.

The rest of this stuff is just stuff you've just plucked out of the air.
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I'd say the simplest explanation is that he and his manager are lying. It requires the least number of people, the least number of events, etc.
 
MikeG said:
I've picked out the most salient words in this pile.
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Mike, it's called an alternative hypothesis. It is standard scientific methodology and is also used in a whole variety of other realms including crime solving.
 
baron said:
Unfortunately it will never be proven. No evidence will be discovered to support it, plenty of red flags will remain and it will fade from public scrutiny with 90% of people believing it never happened and the other 10% bumbling around in their world of make-believe where masked MAGA white supremacist racist homophobic ninjas go round lynching - and scratching - black people on the streets of Chicago.
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Have faith the Duke lacrosse trial and Tawana Brawley shows that once in awhile the truth will come out
 
Cavemonster said:
The argument I'm addressing is that if Smollett is telling the truth, then he would happily hand over his phone because it would help with his case. But his phone would add nothing to his case and all of the reasons even skeptical posters gave show us reasons handing over the phone could suck. Given all that, not turning in his phone doesn't look like particularly damming evidence he's lying.
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Exactly correct. All it really means is that the alleged phone call is also irrelevant and adds nothing to the case.

I was just surprised that anyone was talking about the phone call as if it meant something.
 
theprestige said:
Exactly correct. All it really means is that the alleged phone call is also irrelevant and adds nothing to the case.

I was just surprised that anyone was talking about the phone call as if it meant something.
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But it does. If the phone call never happened then that proves the whole incident is fake.
 
I don't think we are sure of either when or where this attack happened yet.

Other than, "somewhere between the Subway and the apartment building".

The police may know, but I can't find anything in the reporting that tells us with any certainty.
 
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