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There doesn't appear to have been a giant Brexit related fustercluck for about 24 hours now. Is it just because the MPs are on holiday?
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
There doesn't appear to have been a giant Brexit related fustercluck for about 24 hours now. Is it just because the MPs are on holiday?
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When did the story break about Seaborne Freight posting its internal admin account details on its website?

I think that was after the fast-food delivery boilerplate part of its website.
 
So, we're headed for the no-deal Rees-Mogg wants then. Total government paralysis until we automatically leave without a deal.

How long will it take before this government start selling more of the stuff our grandfathers paid for?
 
I am an American so I hesitate to say anything about Brexit no matter how stupid it seems... um never mind about that. But I must ask a question that has repeatedly come to my mind. If a large part of the motivation for Brexit came from a desire of many in the UK to be independent of decisions and control by the EU, doesn't Brexit actually give the EU "the whip hand" right now? It appears to me that Brexit will soon provide to the EU the power to strangle the UK's imports and exports, to cripple its health services, to create food shortages, to mire travel to and from it, to restrict financial market access, etc. Based on spite or logic, can't the EU severely damage the UK economy simply if they decide to do so? Has Brexit provided to the EU the ability to accomplish what the U-boats in WWII could not: the effective isolation of the UK from its critical suppliers and markets?

Sure, one might argue that the EU "needs" the UK and so would never do anything so drastic. But I am less and less certain that the UK does not need the EU much more than the reverse. And countries are capable of making irrational decisions for emotional reasons; the EU already appears poised to "teach the UK a lesson" in response to Brexit that may be based more on anger than a logical assessment of what would be the bet policy for all.

Has Brexit handed the EU the power to arbitrarily punish and control the UK over the next few months to a substantial extent?
 
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I am an American so I hesitate to say anything about Brexit no matter how stupid it seems... um never mind about that. But I must ask a question that has repeatedly come to my mind. If a large part of the motivation for Brexit came from a desire of many in the UK to be independent of decisions and control by the EU, doesn't Brexit actually give the EU "the whip hand" right now? It appears to me that Brexit will soon provide to the EU the power to strangle the UK's imports and exports, to cripple its health services, to create food shortages, to mire travel to and from it, to restrict financial market access, etc.
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No, no, no! The whole point of Brexit is that we’ll be able to do all that ourselves without any interference from the EU.
 
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Giordano said:
I am an American so I hesitate to say anything about Brexit no matter how stupid it seems... um never mind about that. But I must ask a question that has repeatedly come to my mind. If a large part of the motivation for Brexit came from a desire of many in the UK to be independent of decisions and control by the EU, doesn't Brexit actually give the EU "the whip hand" right now? It appears to me that Brexit will soon provide to the EU the power to strangle the UK's imports and exports, to cripple its health services, to create food shortages, to mire travel to and from it, to restrict financial market access, etc. Based on spite or logic, can't the EU severely damage the UK economy simply if they decide to do so? Has Brexit provided to the EU the ability to accomplish what the U-boats in WWII could not: the effective isolation of the UK from its critical suppliers and markets?

Sure, one might argue that the EU "needs" the UK and so would never do anything so drastic. But I am less and less certain that the UK does not need the EU much more than the reverse. And countries are capable of making irrational decisions for emotional reasons; the EU already appears poised to "teach the UK a lesson" in response to Brexit that may be based more on anger than a logical assessment of what would be the bet policy for all.

Has Brexit handed the EU the power to arbitrarily punish and control the UK over the next few months to a substantial extent?
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Currently all the countries trade is done through agreements by the EU with the rest of the world which are for EU members. If the UK exits without a deal then no EU trade agreement or treaty applies any more.
These are agreements which cover things like international flights, trade in medicines and food standards. And a huge number of other things.
And they all end on the same day.
This is not a good idea for a modern country.

People who should know better have been hyping up "WTO trade terms", which are bad, and for which the UK's application has already been rejected.
So its entirely self inflicted in this case.
 
3point14 said:
So, we're headed for the no-deal Rees-Mogg wants then. Total government paralysis until we automatically leave without a deal.

How long will it take before this government start selling more of the stuff our grandfathers paid for?
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Do you have anything left?
 
jimbob said:
The NHS
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When Boris talked about "£350 million for the NHS", he was inviting an opening bid.

No Deal Brexit -> US Trade Deal -> Bye Bye NHS

I've never been one to indulge in this kind of hyperbole, but honestly I consider these people no better than traitors.
 
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