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Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3
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That video is from 1994. He had the solution then?
So just curious, how much faster than 100 years was his aha moment supposed to improve?
As far as I can tell all you have done is proven this was a scam all along. Same thing back then, always promises that we made the critical breakthrough.....it's just around the corner. said it back in 1994 and still saying it now with dozens of times in between.
But more importantly, you said
I asked you to show me. You sent me papers for his misidentified hydrogen embrittlement crystals. But I was serious. If Mills actually has figured out how to use cryodistillation to obtain liquid dihydrino, then he absolutely has to have some around somewhere.
Show me.
What would cryodistillation
This is not trivial Markie. He says he has it. He has a patent on the process. It can't be misinterpreted as anything else. It is the only thing that could possibly show this whole operation is not a complete multi-million dollar scam worthy of jail time.
Show me
Don't ignore this. I am backing you into a corner now for very good reason. This simple thing he has either lied about, and he can't show because hydrinos don't exist, or it is real and hydrinos unambiguously do exist.
Show me
I gave you a couple days to find this evidence.
Show me!
You have to be kidding. A sample of liquid cryodistilled dihydrino kept liquid in liquid helium would turn your crank? How would you know it was dihydrino and not, say, a mixture of liquified helium and hydrogen? You would have to do tests on them. Established tests. Mills and company have done a wide variety of these tests. None have been refuted. Yet you dismiss them all without knowledge, because you saw a 54 eV result in a paper somewhere! And when I pointed out twice, and now three times, that the 54 eV figure was not bond strength of a particular compound in a metal lattice but simply electron energy used to get the signal, you ignore it and repeat your falsehood.
Backing me into a corner. Good one.
How about this. Mills gets a SunCell running hot and long enough to capture and collect substantial amounts of dihydrino gas in a tent above the closed Cell. That gas is then compressed into a tank, and the tank is used to fill up a standard helium balloon to a certain size. Two other such balloons are filled, one with helium and the other with hydrogen. How will they compare? The dihydrino balloon will deflate much more quickly. What would you say then? I know. The balloon was tampered with.
For once I suspect you have said something we can all agree with, I.e. the reaction is not self sustaining....
jrhowell
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I have a unicorn in my basement. I have done tests on it to prove that it is a unicorn. None have been refuted!
I will be selling rides shortly. Invest now!
Or even easier: you just say Mills has done this and gotten the results you describe, maybe with a nice graph showing the comparative balloon deflation rate. Then everyone has to accept it as irrefutable.
The web like hydrino hydride compounds have been characterized. New sections have been added to the 2018 edition of the book to describe such.
Proven? This is not mathematics. Lots have been validated.
The engineering is quite brilliant thank you.
I think you're making that up. Securities to a Hedge fund can be bought by non accredited investors, but they have to be known to be financially experienced and savvy.
BTW What is the last sentence of page 98 in Holverstott's book?
Red Baron Farms
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LOLS
That's the silliest test I ever heard, but I guess typical of Mills.Amazing that we even know how to tell if a gas is helium, Nitrogen, argon, hydrogen, carbon dioxide, oxygen or anything else. Oh the only test we can run is to fill a balloon and see how fast it deflates!
You really need to get out more silly.
If Mills actually produced a hydrino then real scientists could actually test it and determine that it actually was what Mills claims it is.
Independent verification could happen. Billions would flow into Mills hands for development. Once a working prototype built, Trillions. Support would be unlimited.
But mills still can't even produce a single damn hydrino and never has, ever. And for you to claim he has requires that you
Show me
Oh and none of this hocus pocus self published unicorn poop crystals that are just examples of hydrogen embrittlement on various metals. Show an actual hydrino. You unambiguously stated he has cryodistilled dihydrino in liquid form.. . I am calling BS unless you can show me.
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HappySkeptic99
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The only reason I got involved in BLP debunking, is that a ex-colleague was trying to get me to invest in his hedge fund (he had the fund, but didn't have the BLP shares yet -- those were the property of a bank that had foreclosed on another hedge fund, and was offering the BLP shares at 30% off the last-in investor).
In my jurisdiction, one only needs to have 1 Million in personal assets to qualify as an accredited investor. Or, one can bypass that entirely by claiming the person is a friend or family. My former colleague was going the "friend" route first, though many of us would have the assets necessary.
I don't consider someone with 1 Mil in assets "rich", nor the "friends" who can bypass this requirement. My former colleague was suggesting that people could cash in their retirement savings to invest. He was a true-believer(TM), and had befriended the infamous Brett Holverstott, but I was still extremely pissed at him for that suggestion. The idea that one of my friends could've been scammed out of their retirement savings makes me sick.
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Soon it will make you sick but in another way.
And curiously you didn't provide the last sentence of page 98.
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Interesting story, HS. Over the years I've looked for stories about individual investors or the people that led their organizations to invest in BLP. I have found very little information about this. My thought was that most BLP money came in during the early years when Mills got some corporate investments. There was also the years when he claimed to have several energy companies as customers of his gadgets. I tried to follow up on what was going on there. It was strange. All the companies seemed to be small subsidiaries of larger companies. None of them responded to my emails about the status of their BLP investments. I haven't looked but I doubt that any of them exist today. It also wasn't clear that any of them invested money up front in BLP.
I also tried to figure out how the initial investors carried BLP on their books. I was able to trace it a bit but the companies got sold and the newer entities didn't seem to carry BLP assets on the books at all.
I found this: https://i3connect.com/company/brilliant-light-power
So in 2016 BLP announced a $25 million funding around. As of August 2018 they had received about $18 million of it with about $8 million coming in 2018.
One thing I would like to have understood is how much equity the people got for their money. From my perspective it is an interesting but unimportant question. No matter how much equity they got they will never see any of their money coming back.
Another thing I would like to have understood is who these investors are. Are they mostly moderately well off guys (say net worth between $1 and $10 million) who have become true believers in this? There was a video of what looked like an investor meeting a few years ago. Most of the audience seemed like they may be people like that.
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Actually, it wouldn't matter if it were self-sustaining, as long as it produces net energy.
Hasn't BLP claimed that they have "continuous" reactions? I mean, we've seen videos of things glowing, sparking, or heating up for literally seconds at a time, haven't we?
One of the clear impressions I had of researching the BLP work was "this isn't science". It wasn't even close to science. A scientist is extremely curious, and knows the exact conditions under which an experiment works, and doesn't work. A scientist knows how to precisely describe the requirements for reproducing an observation. If they can't, they know that they haven't actually done science.
A scientist also doesn't claim "hydrino", or anything novel, unless they actually provide evidence that they have observed such thing, in a way that anyone can replicate. They will have measured the physical and spectral properties, provided samples to other labs, and definitely provided the conditions required to create them. They will try to debunk their own work, by proving that mundane explanations are impossible (not just claim it).
None of this was done. Instead, insiders make claims, and we get some UV light that others claim is common in interactions of metals with plasma. We get hydrogen-embrittled crystals, and filimentary smoke when a filament was burned in hydrogen. The claims of net-energy were done in conditions that could never confidently prove such a thing.
This isn't science. It is flim-flam.
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Layman's view on the odd white filaments that form while welding.
I used to get a lot of that forming just off the weld bead when working with old rusty galvanized or metal painted in enamel based paints.
Solid structure to stand but wispy when blown on.
It might give an indication of what metal was used on the electrodes that initiated the fireworks show.
When those electrodes burned back too far the arc could have jumped to the container burning holes in that.
It does seem very scientific when explained in cryptic words and processes but really it is just everything we should have learned to not do while welding.
Contamination and having the amperage too high in addition to using inadequate quality materials. Mills HS shop teacher as well as the science teachers are shamed.
I used to get a lot of that forming just off the weld bead when working with old rusty galvanized or metal painted in enamel based paints.
Solid structure to stand but wispy when blown on.
It might give an indication of what metal was used on the electrodes that initiated the fireworks show.
When those electrodes burned back too far the arc could have jumped to the container burning holes in that.
It does seem very scientific when explained in cryptic words and processes but really it is just everything we should have learned to not do while welding.
Contamination and having the amperage too high in addition to using inadequate quality materials. Mills HS shop teacher as well as the science teachers are shamed.
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But mills still can't even produce a single damn hydrino and never has, ever. And for you to claim he has requires that you
Show me
Oh and none of this hocus pocus self published unicorn poop crystals that are just examples of hydrogen embrittlement on various metals. Show an actual hydrino. You unambiguously stated he has cryodistilled dihydrino in liquid form.. . I am calling BS unless you can show me.
Come on Markie. Put up or shut up.
That's the scam actually. Physicists are unlikely to be experienced welders and experienced welders unlikely to be physicists. So the scam works due to the way we generally silo education. Very few people like me and you who can muddle through both silos of information. Although in my case my knowledge of both is somewhat suspect since its been 30 years since I studied physics at UNI and I never was very good at welding when I was a marine engineer. However, I have really good experience understanding what contaminated welds can do. Shipping refits and repairs are some of the hardest environments to weld in. Hydrogen embrittlement is really difficult to avoid on a rusty old ship or barge, yet critical to avoid. It is life or death to make sure structural integrity is maintained even in a nasty storm...
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The last investor in 2016 was Carlos Slim. He invested 10 Million, at the highest valuation yet. I no longer have access to the financial data I was looking at, but from memory the valuation was around 6 Billion dollars. It may have been higher or lower, I'm not sure, but was many billions (25B comes to mind, but surely that is too high?).
The valuation is now so high that BLP may have painted itself in a corner. Any future investors will require success on the order of 100s of Billions in future value in order to justify the risk. I have seen this before when a private company starts over-valuing itself. The funding becomes impossible. Current investors don't want to take a bath on their shares, and future investors won't invest in over-valued junk.
For BLP to get another round of investment, they either need to create a lot of "useful idiots" in the form of true-believers(TM), or get a billionaire sucker like Carlos Slim on the hook.
I'll bet Mills will need something really sparky and zappy and explosion-y to capture that next funding round! If only he had that extra money to figure out how to get energy from heat!
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I was given the book on loan as an Amazon Kindle book, from my would-be-BLP-hedge-fund seller. I finished it in a couple of weeks, to show that I was investigating the ideas in good faith (so that perhaps he would believe my final critique). Also, I am curious.
I will not buy the book to put money in Brett Holverstott's pocket, so I don't know the last sentence. I think Brett is a true-believer, but it angers me that he has become part of the BLP shill machine. At the hedge-fund investment meeting, Brett was on Skype (or other video chat), ready to tell people why Quantum Mechanics never predicts anything, and how Mills has finally solved how atoms work.
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My thought was that the filament had an organic coating on it. Or, if you look at the video, there was already something smokey in the bottom of the box before the run. That could have been from a previous run, or it could've been some "special sauce" added to the system.
The whole demonstration was so cheesy, that it was laughable.
EHocking
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... and is currently writing a broadway show to recoup?
It would certainly be a farce.
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Was this before or after Mills got his 20+ year younger Mexican girlfriend that year?
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