Democrats = Antifa = BS

Mumbles said:
Indeed, the point isn't to be civil, it's to call attention to an issue.

(And the idea that Mitch McConnell, of all people, should be treated with the upmost respect, after all the hard work he's done to ruin the US' democracy, is absurd.)
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The issue isn't about this specific person and how much he deserves a good heckling. The issue is that it doesn't stop there.
 
Belz... said:
The issue isn't about this specific person and how much he deserves a good heckling. The issue is that it doesn't stop there.
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And it likely won't. Every single GOP member of congress has shown themselves entirely unfit for office - the Senate majority leader is simply the most damaging of them. Is this different at some state-level offices? Sure, and it's on the ones who aren't suppressing minority voters, brazenly lying about their own records, and the like to kick the others out, toss out the current party leader, and rebuild. But at the national level, the GOP's going to be...well, evil for the forseeable future.

(and yes, I'm saying that taking away health care access, forcibly separating children from parents by literally a thousand miles or more, and so forth, is evil)
 
Mumbles said:
And it likely won't. Every single GOP member of congress has shown themselves entirely unfit for office - the Senate majority leader is simply the most damaging of them. Is this different at some state-level offices? Sure, and it's on the ones who aren't suppressing minority voters, brazenly lying about their own records, and the like to kick the others out, toss out the current party leader, and rebuild. But at the national level, the GOP's going to be...well, evil for the forseeable future.

(and yes, I'm saying that taking away health care access, forcibly separating children from parents by literally a thousand miles or more, and so forth, is evil)
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That's not what I meant. What I meant is that it won't stop to representatives, nor will it stop to people you consider, today, to be acceptable targets. The list will grow, as it always does.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
If locking children in cages didn't provoke enough response to put a stop to, I feel like people being killed is far more probable than I am comfortable with.
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There's no doubt that it's going to get worse before it gets better, but I'd like to see how the GOP is deliberately trying to kill people. It's one thing to say their policies might result in more deaths, directly or not, than alternatives, but it's quite another to make the claim that the government is trying to kill you.
 
Mumbles said:
(and yes, I'm saying that taking away health care access, forcibly separating children from parents by literally a thousand miles or more, and so forth, is evil)
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Then act like it. If the other side really is "evil," if that line has been crossed, if that seal has been broken, act like it. Act like you actually believe that. Slap on the Guy Fawkes mask and go blow up some buildings. Storm the Bastille. Start the revolution. Why are you sitting here arguing with people who mostly agree with you on the internet instead of running out Republican out of town?

Again that's the whole problem. The Left talks like it's the end of the world but acts like it's just another election.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
If locking children in cages didn't provoke enough response to put a stop to, I feel like people being killed is far more probable than I am comfortable with.
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Killing people is what they want with their healthcare policies after all. But killing the poor who clearly deserve it(they chose to get sick and be poor after all) these are deaths that don't count.
 
Belz... said:
Nonsense. Stop posting lies.
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Ending the preexisting condition clause in Obamacare is one of the biggest things in healthcare that they hope to accomplish. That will kill thousands of people. Cause and effect. That is simply what they want to do, take life saving healthcare away from those who need it.

I know they chose to get cancer or be born with hemophilia and so deserve what those choices get them.

Up next we will be going after the crazy socialist programs of social security and medicare. Put those lazy bastards to work! Retirement is such a socialist new deal era policy and we have to stop such craziness.

So if they don't see the basic effects of what they are doing how does that make them immune to the manslaughter of thousands?
 
The extremism that is being espoused on this thread (the GOP wants to kill people!, etc) reflects a view of politics that really doesn’t register with me. I have never seen “the other side” of a political debate as an enemy that must be crushed.

I do understand that Trump has changed things; however, too many use too broad a brush to paint their political landscapes.

Luckily, such extremism from both sides seems to be mostly limited to internet arguments and random wackos who are crazy enough to take extremist ideas to their logical conclusions. I remain confident that most of us are not anywhere close to that.


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xjx388 said:
The extremism that is being espoused on this thread (the GOP wants to kill people!, etc) reflects a view of politics that really doesn’t register with me. I have never seen “the other side” of a political debate as an enemy that must be crushed.
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The GOP wants a health care plan that will kill thousands of sick people a year. Why is it wrong to say that they want to kill people or want these people do die?

"How could I possibly know that shooting him could cause him to die!"

"He didn't die from my bullets, he clearly died from blood loss, nothing to do with me shooting him"

These are not compelling arguments so why should the clear effect of their actions not be said to be something they want?
 
ponderingturtle said:
Ending the preexisting condition clause in Obamacare is one of the biggest things in healthcare that they hope to accomplish. That will kill thousands of people. Cause and effect. That is simply what they want to do, take life saving healthcare away from those who need it.
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Yet again (at this point David Wong owes me ad revenue)

"But," you say, "if they vote for [scary candidate], people will die! My life will be measurably worse! The time for being polite is over!"

No. Listen to me: Lives are at stake in every election. The next president will decide what wars we get into, what health coverage gets cut, what safety regulations can be repealed, how strongly we're protected from terrorists. Democracy is entirely about making the transition of power an orderly and peaceful event despite the fact that lives are at stake. That's what it's been about from the beginning.
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JoeMorgue said:
Yet again (at this point David Wong owes me ad revenue)
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Yep and yet we seem to think that killing enough people suddenly is a bad thing. Clearly it isn't.

Yep don't come crying to me expecting sympathy if someone you care about dies, these things happen and I am not supposed to care.

Next people will be arguing that war crimes are a real thing. They are just show trials for the victor to exact revenge.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Yep and yet we seem to think that killing enough people suddenly is a bad thing. Clearly it isn't.

Yep don't come crying to me expecting sympathy if someone you care about dies, these things happen and I am not supposed to care.

Next people will be arguing that war crimes are a real thing. They are just show trials for the victor to exact revenge.
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You never fail to disappoint. Your ability to respond to things that nobody is saying is truly a gift.
 
JoeMorgue said:
You never fail to disappoint. Your ability to respond to things that nobody is saying is truly a gift.
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You are clear tens of thousands of dead americans a year isn't a big deal and not a serious issue. No reason to be yell at anyone. You would be happy to die for the sake of politeness.
 
Next people will be promoting the lies about WWII that we should care about the dead jews, we shouldn't and didn't. And we should be open and honest about it that as a country we really never cared about the holocaust. We were happy to turn away Anne Frank and help her become a famous author. We sent people back to hitler and the gas chambers. These are nothing to be ashamed of just politics as usual.

But the american narrative of course will shut down how many americans really liked hitler. It really makes it weird we suddenly care about it when some "nazi war criminal" turns up. Pretty damn hypocritical when you really think about it.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Ending the preexisting condition clause in Obamacare is one of the biggest things in healthcare that they hope to accomplish. That will kill thousands of people. Cause and effect.
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That is a completely different claim. Thanks for at least making it clear what you were actually saying. It'd help if you did that more often.
 
Belz... said:
NO. STOP saying that people are "clearly" saying something when you are in fact misrepresenting them. You know you're doing this. You are making ZERO effort at having a discussion, in any thread you participate in, at any point.

So why are you even here?
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That is clear. Being polite is more important than a few thousand dead sick people a year. Way more important than dead gay people. These are just not things to get worked up over.

OF course the total double standard when abortion comes up is also clear. Then it is suddenly ok to do all those things.
 
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