Democrats = Antifa = BS

JoeMorgue said:
Then act like it. If the other side really is "evil," if that line has been crossed, if that seal has been broken, act like it. Act like you actually believe that. Slap on the Guy Fawkes mask and go blow up some buildings. Storm the Bastille. Start the revolution. Why are you sitting here arguing with people who mostly agree with you on the internet instead of running out Republican out of town?
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Well, first, that's not at all how these things work. I'm not trying to be Nat Turner here.

Second, I've long since come to terms with the fact that there is a great deal of evil among us, and that we would see more people in the US actively pursue it during and after Obama's presidency. Voting, and encouraging others around me to do so, is a part of what I decided my response would be. "One man violence spree" is not, and is ridiculous.

I have other reasons, but those two were enough for me personally. It's possible, of course, that I was raised in nonviolent protest and work, so that could easily change how I view matters - but is so, ah well.
 
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Republicans think they can cover those with pre-existing conditions via high-risk pools. I am not a Republican nor a medical plan analyst, so I won't argue whether they are viable. Therefore Republicans are not, as far as I know, purposefully aiming to kill people.

I return you to your regularly scheduled hyperbole. I will not respond to replies to this post as I consider the subject a derail.
 
LSSBB said:
Republicans think they can cover those with pre-existing conditions via high-risk pools. I am not a Republican nor a medical plan analyst, so I won't argue whether they are viable. Therefore Republicans are not, as far as I know, purposefully aiming to kill people.

I return you to your regularly scheduled hyperbole. I will not respond to replies to this post as I consider the subject a derail.
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That's the thing: It's either, "agree with my position fully OR admit that you want to kill people." No room for garden variety policy disagreements. It's a problem on both extremes and I think it's very fitting for a thread equating a party with it's extreme. It simply does not reflect reality at all.
 
High risk pools don't work: it's like having an insurance only targeted at Base-jumpers: the premiums would be astronomical.
The principle of insurance is to spread risk around - which for some morons sounds too much like Socialism when in fact it is one of the oldest capitalist enterprises.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
High risk pools don't work: it's like having an insurance only targeted at Base-jumpers: the premiums would be astronomical.
The principle of insurance is to spread risk around - which for some morons sounds too much like Socialism when in fact it is one of the oldest capitalist enterprises.
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Well, this isn't the place for a discussion of that particular issue but the relevant point is rather simple.

There are all kinds of healthcare provision schemes we could implement. The fact that I might argue for Scheme X and you might argue for Scheme Y does not mean that either of us want to kill people.
 
If Republicans had an actual, viable plan for healthcare that included protections for preexisting conditions, it would already be law.
 
LSSBB said:
"This thing doesn't exist. Therefore this thing can't exist. Therefore Republicans want people dead."

Fine logic, there.
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I don't think Republicans want people dead, I just don't think they really care enough about people dying to actually do anything about it. Their inaction on healthcare is testament to that.
 
Republicans dismantled the ACA without replacement. They might have an awesome plan, but they haven't made any effort to implement it.
So I'm fine with charging Republicans with putting political gains over citizens' lives.
 
Belz... said:
Interesting. Loss of civility has been a bad thing, but the solution of some is to do the same, rather than seek to bring civility back.

I'm honestly not sure which of the two options is better.
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Staying "civil" has never worked to get Republicans to act more civil. There is no need to continue to be polite while the GOP spits on our faces.
 
Belz... said:
There's no doubt that it's going to get worse before it gets better, but I'd like to see how the GOP is deliberately trying to kill people. It's one thing to say their policies might result in more deaths, directly or not, than alternatives, but it's quite another to make the claim that the government is trying to kill you.
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Taking away health care is them trying to kill people, particularly poor people. Let's not pretend that they believe their "health care plan" is anything but an attempt to privatize health care so that only the privileged are cared for.
 
LSSBB said:
"This thing doesn't exist. Therefore this thing can't exist. Therefore Republicans want people dead."

Fine logic, there.
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Hey just because it doesn't exist didn't stop them from trying to implement it. See all the votes to do just that, that would have killed thousands. But no reason to think that just because they voted on a plan that they knew would kill thousands means they wanted those thousands to die, they just simply didn't view them as people.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Taking away health care is them trying to kill people, particularly poor people. Let's not pretend that they believe their "health care plan" is anything but an attempt to privatize health care so that only the privileged are cared for.
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But throwing someone in a ditch to die is not the same thing as wanting them dead apparently.

It is like a doctor who lets a patient die because they refused to learn how to perform life saving abortions that their ethics are supposedly ok with and so can not provide proper care. They are perfectly morally and ethically in the clear. No one but a crazy person would think that they should learn to save some woman's life if the skills could possibly be used for something they disagree with. Better to let the woman die.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Pacifism rarely wins any wars.
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And a rolling stone gathers no moss, but none of that has anything to do with the post you quoted, which was a question about how we can judge people's beliefs.

Staying "civil" has never worked to get Republicans to act more civil.
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Define "never"?

And sorry, but sticking to your principles is not and should not, at least theoretically, be predicated upon your opponent doing the same.

Taking away health care is them trying to kill people
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Do you really think they meet in a smoke-filled room to discuss how to better kill Americans? Or perhaps that they're simply acting out of, for example, greed because part of their financing comes from people who really, really don't want to cover preexisting conditions because they feel it's bad for their business?

Just because there is a result for your action doesn't mean the result is your intended goal.
 
Whether they want to kill people, or are willing to let people die so they can get more $$$, they are wrong and immoral. Murder or manslaughter, it doesn't matter.

Also, when has acting civil actually worked to get Republicans to act more civil themselves?
 
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