Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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I don't think Lockerbie is a derail. There is no evidence Mueller directly faked evidence, that I can find. It does reveal he has a blind spot. I'd like to see how that could have a bearing on his investigation of the Russia connections if the evidence there stands on it's own merits, however.
 
There are multiple blog pages on Lockerbie and especially P35/b.

The indication that it was faked involves electronics and metallurgy knowledge that Mueller doesn’t have. All indicators are that this piece may have been planted and the experts flopped badly in their analysis of the piece.

But there is zero, I mean utterly zero evidence that Mueller made this thing himself or had someone make it and plant it.

Mueller trusted the initial experts, and that was his mistake. As LSSBB put it: a blind spot.

It is a far, far cry from ‘faking evidence’ as Baylor asserts.

So, back to the bargain basement O’Keefe getting investigated by the FBI for his shenanigans.
 
LSSBB said:
I don't think Lockerbie is a derail. There is no evidence Mueller directly faked evidence, that I can find. It does reveal he has a blind spot. I'd like to see how that could have a bearing on his investigation of the Russia connections if the evidence there stands on it's own merits, however.
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Just wait til we get to the anthrax case.
 
Besides "look at a person's entire history of behavior in context" is hardly a position that will work out in the Trump administration's favor.

Baylor said:
At best it's gross incompetence. But any reasonable person would conclude he knowingly presented fraudulent evidence. Aggressively targeting innocent people is a pattern of behavior we see with Mueller. Bruce Ivins ended his life because Mueller had framed him for the anthrax attacks.
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It is far too early to make us all witness acts of autofellation like this.
 
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C_Felix said:
Can we please un-derail this thread.
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It's derailed? I've been finding that random attacks out of the blue from our right wingers here are a pretty good sign of impending news. Mueller's been up to something this Halloween, and its got the Trumpers spooked.
 
Drewbot said:
The media seems to love Mueller now that he is investigating the Trump campaign. But they weren't too happy with him when his shoddy Anthrax investigation was being used as a reason to start the Iraq war.

https://www.wired.com/2011/03/did-the-anthrax-attacks-kickstart-the-iraq-war/

Then as we know the Iraqi strains did not end up matching the strain in the Anthrax letters, so they started investigating scientists.

https://www.wired.com/2011/03/ff_anthrax_fbi/
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The media loves Mueller? Who is this "media" that "loves" Mueller?

ETA: also, I don't see anything in the attached articles that directly tie Mueller to any malfeasance. Nor how it directly shows any kind of change in how the media currently reports on Mueller. No bombshells here, I think.
 
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You’ve got to love the irony of the “witch hunt” chanting Trump supporters making baseless allegations against Mueller.

If you need evidence that conservatives lack integrity and ethical standards, look no further.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
And, it presents another example of a woman making a false accusation against a man, thus spreading the sentiment: all women are lying, believe him not her - another win.
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That's IF there even is an accusation. So far we only seem to have accusations that women were offered money to lie.
 
Baylor said:
On the oft chance that Mueller didn't know the evidence was fraudulent when he presented it, he sure as hell would have in 2009 when Abdelbaset al-Megrahi was released in prison. Mueller wrote a tirade that he was "outraged" over al-Megrahi's release. Mueller wanted an innocent man in prison. Case closed.
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Any reasonable person would conclude from Mueller's outrage that he believed al-Megrahi to be guilty.
 
Baylor said:
He was the Assistant Attorney General in charge of the investigation that put an innocent person behind bars for the Lockerbie bombing. Forum member Rolfe wrote a book about it. Mueller faked evidence in the case and he's the one who should be behind bars.
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Oh, well, okay. I'm sure that this is your utterly unbiased opinion.

Because, of course, you totally would accept Rolfe's word in a book you haven't read. This is not bias at all.

Note: maybe Rolfe is right, maybe not. I've no opinion aside from this: you agree with Rolfe because you want to discredit Mueller, and not the other way round.
 
Baylor said:
On the oft chance that Mueller didn't know the evidence was fraudulent when he presented it, he sure as hell would have in 2009 when Abdelbaset al-Megrahi was released in prison. Mueller wrote a tirade that he was "outraged" over al-Megrahi's release. Mueller wanted an innocent man in prison. Case closed.
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al-Megrahi wasn't released from prison because his conviction was overturned, but out of compassion because he was dying from cancer.
 
phiwum said:
Oh, well, okay. I'm sure that this is your utterly unbiased opinion.

Because, of course, you totally would accept Rolfe's word in a book you haven't read. This is not bias at all.

Note: maybe Rolfe is right, maybe not. I've no opinion aside from this: you agree with Rolfe because you want to discredit Mueller, and not the other way round.
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I don't think we should assume that Baylor is accurately representing Rolfe's views on anything. Perhaps he is, but I don't yet see any evidence suggesting that this is actually the case.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I don't think we should assume that Baylor is accurately representing Rolfe's views on anything. Perhaps he is, but I don't yet see any evidence suggesting that this is actually the case.
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I think we can assume Baylor's representing the story which is currently going the rounds in certain circles.

I think we can all agree that Mueller was not in charge of the multi-national investigation into the Lockerbie outrage.
 
I Am The Scum said:
You're making this way too complicated. The reason why it appears to be a stupid plan is not because that's part of the ruse - It's just a stupid plan.

Jacob Wohl is not your average Trump twitter fan. He's significantly below average. Let me show you how I first got introduced to him.

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/hipster-coffee-shops-trump-meme/

What we have here is someone who is very bad at making his lies seem even a tiny bit believable. Everyone on the planet (with the possible exception of Slings And Arrows) realizes that this guy does not have the strange fortune of eavesdropping on pro-Trump liberals in hipster coffee shops (except for that one time it was an inner city coffee shop, because it was about the Trump-Kanye meeting).

For Wohl's real claim to fame you must instead look at his dealings in the financial industry, where due to even more very obvious lies, he received a lifetime ban from futures trading. To the best of my knowledge, he is the youngest person to receive such a dubious honor.

But let's set all that aside and assume that Jacob has been mainlining Mentats for a week straight and came up with a halfway sensible plan involving a modicum of misdirection. Why, then, would he have the scheme trace back to him in very obvious ways? Why would he make himself the one cheerleading the big story several days before it is exposed? Why would he put his own image (through an odd photoshop filter) on the Surefire Intelligence website? What about his own e-mail address? His mother's phone number? Why didn't it dawn on him that all of this is super illegal?

He's just an idiot. It's that simple.

My prediction: Within a week, he will engage in some misguided attempt to save face by admitting to at least a few of the things he has been denying, with some cartoonish positive spin, of course.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he fled the country.
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Wait, I know.

False flag. Long term sleeper implanted to act a fool and discredit Republicans.
 
Baylor said:
At best it's gross incompetence. But any reasonable person would conclude he knowingly presented fraudulent evidence. Aggressively targeting innocent people is a pattern of behavior we see with Mueller. Bruce Ivins ended his life because Mueller had framed him for the anthrax attacks.
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If true, these would both be evidence of overzealousness at worst, not evidence of knowingly targeting innocent folk, which is what you alleged.

Honestly, not a subtle point.
 
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