Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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BrooklynBaby said:
It sounds like Fauxcahontas is talking about something more recent than a possible 1/1024 connection, with her mother having to elope and all... Maybe she heard this song right before the interview -- Half Breed by Cher:


My father married a pure Cherokee
My mother's people were ashamed of me
The Indians said I was white by law
The White Man always called me "Indian Squaw"
Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, she's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born"
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Not disproven, then. Thanks for admitting your lie.
 
The Big Dog said:
For all practical purposes, yep. Her expert was a consultant for those companies, and the IDENTICAL objections to those tests apply to this test.
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Interesting.

I'd love to see the article you read that actually compares the test she took with the consumer grade mail-in tests.

Thanks.
 
The Big Dog said:
Why 23andMe Is Smoke and Mirrors

"It’s not so much what they can tell you folks, because besides some obvious genetic disorders, 23andMe is not super concerned with the accuracy of their reports, but rather with compiling vital information about us and using that data for whatever sordid purposes they can come up with, to give them more leverage in the world than they already have. "

Hmm, our expert consulted for them... hmmm.

say folks just how accurate are these reports? They are doing "Science" right?
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She didn't got to 23 and Me.

She went to a MacArthur Fellowship-winning population geneticist at Stanford University.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Interesting.

I'd love to see the article you read that actually compares the test she took with the consumer grade mail-in tests.

Thanks.
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Cool, as soon as our hero releases the info, we can do that!

Should be fun, plus we can see what degree of error is built in. Right now all we got is a couple of stupid press releases.

Dr. Keith and TBD working together like pals!
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
From the last two pages I'm gathering that Warren took the test and released the results, and it does show the ancestry she claimed?

I stand by my position that she shouldn't have, it's not our business. But if it shuts up the people who make up insulting nicknames for other people, it'll be a good thing.
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It won't shut them up, but it's making them look even dumber (if that's even possible) when they keep bringing it up. In that respect, it's a lot like Obama presenting his long form birth certificate. Lot's of people are doing it on this thread. Well, she might have Indian ancestry, but she doesn't have enough / can't prove it was the tribes she claimed / doesn't have any more ancestry than the average white American, etc. The last one might even be true, but so what?
 
kookbreaker said:
I have a better idea. Please explain why she has no Native American ancestry. In your own words.

You've been trying to get people on this thread to 'define minority' on this thread as a distraction over and over. Give it a rest.
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It's not a matter as to whether or not she has Native American ancestry -as the numbers cited here have shown, most Americans do have some.

I would say that she is not Native American by any definition. She didn't grow up in the culture. The most we can say about her exposure to Native Americans is that her family lore insisted that there was some ancestry there. She's a standard issue American White Woman.

I have Mayan ancestry. Does that make me a Mayan?

We really need to get over these ethnic labels that have no practical meaning.
 
The Big Dog said:
Boston Globe: "the Stanford University researcher who studied her DNA sample did not actually use samples of Native American DNA to determine whether Warren’s dubious claims of Cherokee ancestry were true"
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Not a quote from the Boston Globe.
 
xjx388 said:
It's not a matter as to whether or not she has Native American ancestry -as the numbers cited here have shown, most Americans do have some.

I would say that she is not Native American by any definition. She didn't grow up in the culture. The most we can say about her exposure to Native Americans is that her family lore insisted that there was some ancestry there. She's a standard issue American White Woman.

I have Mayan ancestry. Does that make me a Mayan?

We really need to get over these ethnic labels that have no practical meaning.
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Can you point to where conservatives were making this specific argument prior to finding out the test results, as opposed to just calling Warren a liar?
 
BrooklynBaby said:
She provides proof she lied and Dems declare victory. Nothing unusual about that. A large dose of confirmation bias mixed in with some nebulous DNA results and we finally have "proof" that Fauxcanontas is indeed a squaw. Give me a break.
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Whatever* gets you through the night.



*Puerile inanity.
 
BrooklynBaby was quite gleeful in the Trump thread about how Warren was completely lying and had no Native ancestry at all and a test would prove it and that's why she doesn't take one.
 
The Big Dog said:
Actually it suggests that results less than 3.1% are not definitive.

Anyone?
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Clearly you have no idea how those numbers work. But that aside, why is it so critical for you that her claim to having Native American ancestors be false? Even Trump apparently said "who cares?" What difference does it make?

Surely you can find some other, perhaps more relevant, reason to dislike her as a Senator and potential presidential candidate?
 
The Big Dog said:
Cool, as soon as our hero releases the info, we can do that!

Should be fun, plus we can see what degree of error is built in. Right now all we got is a couple of stupid press releases.

Dr. Keith and TBD working together like pals!
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My bad, your post seemed so certain that I assumed you had some basis for it. Mea culpa.
 
johnny karate said:
Can you point to where conservatives were making this specific argument prior to finding out the test results, as opposed to just calling Warren a liar?
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There's a big difference IMO, between saying, "I am Native American," and "I have Native American ancestry." Warren listed herself as Native American in some directory. But, she isn't Native American and we didn't need DNA tests to prove it -she didn't grow up in the culture. Now that we have the test results, we can confirm that she merely has some distant ancestor who was Native American.

So what do you call that directory listing that identified her as a Native American, if not a lie? Granted, it's a pretty harmless lie. But still a lie, no?
 
xjx388 said:
There's a big difference IMO, between saying, "I am Native American," and "I have Native American ancestry." Warren listed herself as Native American in some directory. But, she isn't Native American and we didn't need DNA tests to prove it -she didn't grow up in the culture. Now that we have the test results, we can confirm that she merely has some distant ancestor who was Native American.

So what do you call that directory listing that identified her as a Native American, if not a lie? Granted, it's a pretty harmless lie. But still a lie, no?
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Am I Italian? Is it a lie if I claim I am, based on my father's side? In the time when Americans were lynching Italians and called them 'worse than Negroes', they would have killed me too. How are you separating ancestry from current actuality, now that you have the luxury of it not meaning someone's life?
 
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