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New SCOTUS Judge II: The Wrath of Kavanaugh

Ziggurat said:
Your article doesn't mention it, but Kavanaugh has also now hired as many black law clerks as Ruth Bader Ginsburg has in her entire history on the Supreme Court.

He's totally racist, or something.
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I don't recall alleged racism being an issue in his nomination. Not sure I get your point.
 
LSSBB said:
You are avoiding the point of these questions. I would say intentionally. The support network and environment you grow up in most definitely facilitates success.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michae...ss-according-to-network-science/#6b3880ede829

The have-nots don't have open network connections.
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Are you suggesting I was somehow privileged to be living in college park georgia, in biscane bay apartments as a child raised by a single mother? How did I get out of that? You act like people get magically picked up and moved. That's not the real world my friend. In the real world you are what you make yourself. (unless you're born into money/wealth)
 
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River said:
Are you suggesting I was somehow privileged to be living in college park georgia, in biscane bay apartments as a child raised by a single mother? How did I get out of that? You act like people get magically picked up and moved. That's not the real world my friend. In the real world you are what you make yourself. (unless you're born into money/wealth)
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I am saying what the research shows. You are replying with an anecdote of your own personal experience, filtered by your perception of it.
 
River said:
Absolutely. Are you suggesting others aren't as capable as myself based on what exactly?
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Because people's circumstances are not always the same. Because the decisions some people have to make in life not always viable options for others of others - everyone is NOT the same; we're not all 5' 8', white, blue eyed humans cast from the same mould, born into the same circumstances, with all the same rights and privileges.

River said:
It might also serve you well to know a little of my past. I went to elementary school in a really nice neighborhood called college park in GA. I lived near the intersection of godby road and old international in some apartments called biscane bay. (look them up) and went to elementary school at Josephine Wells. If you think this is a white picket fence and 2½ kids story you're way off. My mom was a single mom that raised two kids on a school teachers salary in a very poor neighborhood.
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If that is truly your history, then your attitude towards the needy and the vulnerable is even more unforgivable than I thought. You've had poverty all around you but you are immune to its effects on Society.

River said:
Also, I'm now a single parent myself of two children. (Their mom died in 2011 of cancer) Try again.
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I lost my first wife to breast cancer many years ago so I feel your pain. My pain is still raw sometimes.

River said:
I receive no welfare benefits, and neither did my mom growing up. If I can do it -- why can't anyone else?
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Neither did my parents (until they retired) and nor did I. That doesn't make me immune to the hardships others face, and it doesn't make me want to defund abortion, contraception or take children away from poor families.
 
River said:
This is what he has said regarding it.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/just-...augh-suggested-roe-v-wade-was-wrongly-decided

"..... in a speech given just last year to the American Enterprise Institute, Kavanaugh made it perfectly clear that he believes Roe to have been wrongly decided.
The context was a speech Kavanaugh gave on the legacy of the late Chief Justice William Rehnquist, whom he described as “my first judicial hero.” The relevant portion of the speech is where Kavanaugh describes “the Court’s power to recognize unenumerated rights.” There, Kavanaugh said:

“Justice Rehnquist was not successful in convincing a majority of the justices in the context of abortion either in Roe itself or in the later cases such as Casey, in the latter case perhaps because of stare decisis. But he was successful in stemming the general tide of freewheeling judicial creation of unenumerated rights that were not rooted in the nation’s history and tradition.”

Those are Kavanaugh’s words, not Rehnquist’s. It is Kavanaugh, not Rehnquist, describing Roe and similar cases as the “freewheeling judicial creation of unenumerated rights” – the kind of judging which Kavanaugh condemns over and over again in his speech.

The rest of Kavanaugh’s remarks bear this out, in several instances.

First, even describing Roe as recognizing “unenumerated rights” indicates a specific, conservative understanding of the case. To conservatives, Roe “recogniz[ed] a constitutional right to abortion,” which is how Kavanaugh describes it. But this is not how liberals understand the case. They see abortion as one particular expression of the right not to be deprived of “life, liberty, or property” without due process, because no process can be “due process” when the government is commandeering the uterus of a citizen."

If the right case comes along, I have no doubt whatsoever the he will topple Roe v Wade. In the meantime, he doesn't have to. He can rule to make operating an abortion clinic almost impossible by putting onerous conditions in their way.

As I said earlier, if I had anything to do with the administration of an abortion clinic in Canada, especially one in a town or city near the US-Canadian border, I would at least be considering making preparations for an influx of new clients from across that border.
 
River said:
Absolutely. Are you suggesting others aren't as capable as myself based on what exactly?
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smartcooky said:
Because people's circumstances are not always the same. Because the decisions some people have to make in life not always viable options for others of others - everyone is NOT the same; we're not all 5' 8', white, blue eyed humans cast from the same mould, born into the same circumstances, with all the same rights and privileges.
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River said:
t might also serve you well to know a little of my past. I went to elementary school in a really nice neighborhood called college park in GA. I lived near the intersection of godby road and old international in some apartments called biscane bay. (look them up) and went to elementary school at Josephine Wells. If you think this is a white picket fence and 2½ kids story you're way off. My mom was a single mom that raised two kids on a school teachers salary in a very poor neighborhood.
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smartcooky said:
If that is truly your history, then your attitude towards the needy and the vulnerable is even more unforgivable than I thought. You've had poverty all around you but you are immune to its effects on Society.
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I'm with Smartcooky. River's attitude is like a soldier who survived being in the first wave at Omaha Beach saying 'If he could survive, anyone can'. Never mind that the first wave suffered 80 percent casualties that day. Was it really something his will that made him miss the machine gun fire?

The number 1 factor determining the success of a child is his zip code. Tell us where you grew up, good chance we can guess your level of success. That River managed to succeed while growing up in that neighborhood just means to me he was lucky enough to miss the machine gun fire.

I'm really baffled by his approach to subsidizing contraception. I can understand why he might oppose subsidies for abortions but contraception? Makes zero sense as it prevents the need for most abortions, it prevents the need for welfare for many, it prevents STDs I'm personally of the belief that even if you were against every other subsidy, you should support subsidizing contraception.
 
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theprestige said:
If you're going to complain no matter what he does why should he bother trying to please you?
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Er, first, his job isn't to please anyone, but to serve competently and fairly on the court. And that's his job whether the person before him is a whiner or not.

You really are asking odd questions.
 
acbytesla said:
I'm with Smartcooky. River's attitude is like a soldier who survived being in the first wave at Omaha Beach saying 'If he could survive, anyone can'. Never mind that the first wave suffered 80 percent casualties that day. Was it really something his will that made him miss the machine gun fire?

The number 1 factor determining the success of a child is his zip code. Tell us where you grew up, good chance we can guess your level of success. That River managed to succeed while growing up in that neighborhood just means to me he was lucky enough to miss the machine gun fire.

I'm really baffled by his approach to subsidizing contraception. I can understand why he might oppose subsidies for abortions but contraception? Makes zero sense as it prevents the need for most abortions, it prevents the need for welfare for many, it prevents STDs I'm personally of the belief that even if you were against every other subsidy, you should support subsidizing contraception.
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What some call luck, others call hard work and determination. Tenacity. Not everyone possesses that, which is exactly the point. It's easier for someone born into money sure, but it's not impossible to come out of a poor area into something better. Some of the posters here would have you believe its nearly impossible. Sure some of my life has been hard due to circumstances beyond my control. Everyones is.

The entire point is, those that want to and try to, can succeed in this country at bettering themselves and their situations.
 
smartcooky said:
Because people's circumstances are not always the same. Because the decisions some people have to make in life not always viable options for others of others - everyone is NOT the same; we're not all 5' 8', white, blue eyed humans cast from the same mould, born into the same circumstances, with all the same rights and privileges.



If that is truly your history, then your attitude towards the needy and the vulnerable is even more unforgivable than I thought. You've had poverty all around you but you are immune to its effects on Society.



I lost my first wife to breast cancer many years ago so I feel your pain. My pain is still raw sometimes.



Neither did my parents (until they retired) and nor did I. That doesn't make me immune to the hardships others face, and it doesn't make me want to defund abortion, contraception or take children away from poor families.
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Sorry to hear about your wife.

My attitude may be different than some because I lived it. If you have the will and tenacity, you will succeed in bettering yourself. No matter where your beginnings, the end is up to you.
 
River said:
Are you suggesting I was somehow privileged to be living in college park georgia, in biscane bay apartments as a child raised by a single mother? How did I get out of that? You act like people get magically picked up and moved. That's not the real world my friend. In the real world you are what you make yourself. (unless you're born into money/wealth)
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Did your family receive any public services? Did your Mom have a decent education? Was she generally healthy? Did she get help from her family? Did she work at a job that provided health insurance? Did you attend public schools? If not, who paid the freight? Did you have a teacher or a coach who encouraged you? Counselors who helped you apply to college? Did you go to a state college? Did you get scholarships or federal loans? Who hired you for your first job? Etc., etc., etc.

Everyone comes into the world as a helpless infant. Nobody gets anywhere "on their own." Whatever you started out with, plenty started with less and they never catch up.

As a thought exercise, where do you think D. Trump would be today if his Dad had driven a garbage truck in Jersey?
 
The bootstrap narrative is nice and all, and if there was a gun to my head I'd probably have to admit it's slightly more of a legit factor than some on the Left want to admit because it just fits into the Republican narrative of how things work better than theirs, but to ignore literally everything about society to pretend that everyone has equal opportunities and could just get to where you are at by gumption and hard work is asinine.
 
River said:
What some call luck, others call hard work and determination. Tenacity. Not everyone possesses that, which is exactly the point. It's easier for someone born into money sure, but it's not impossible to come out of a poor area into something better. Some of the posters here would have you believe its nearly impossible. Sure some of my life has been hard due to circumstances beyond my control. Everyones is.

The entire point is, those that want to and try to, can succeed in this country at bettering themselves and their situations.
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Who is saying it's nearly impossible? There are always some, such as Oprah, who make it despite tough circumstances. However, there are also those who work hard and are determined, and still suffer setback after setback. And there are always those who have a long way to climb, and meet those setbacks well before they would be in a position to deal with them. Life is a bayesian nightmare. Face it, you found opportunities and were able to take advantage of them. Bill Gates found better opportunities... does he work harder than you?
 
theprestige said:
I'm referring to diversity in hiring, and asking why Kavanaugh should bother.
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He should bother for the reasons that he says he chose women as clerks. He wants to encourage women in the law profession.

If he values that, then what should it matter that some guy on the internet is complaining? If he thinks that women should be encouraged in this way, then it would be ridiculous to stop the practice because someone somewhere was skeptical about Kavanaugh's reasons.
 
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