Lessons to be learned from the Kavanaugh Hearing

[quadraginta]

I... I just don't know anymore.

 

[Ziggurat]

I have a BIG complain about her audacity to make a report about Ford when she couldn't make one about Kavanaugh.

She was tasked with making a report on Ford. She was not tasked with making a report on Kavanaugh. That has nothing to do with HER being audacious.

 

[varwoche]

She was tasked with making a report on Ford. She was not tasked with making a report on Kavanaugh. That has nothing to do with HER being audacious.

What was audacious was her presenting herself in the report as an independent arbiter. She was hired by partisans who are hell bent to confirm come hell or high water. She was (apparently) given marching orders for the report by those same partisans -- a report that focused exclusively on Ford's testimony. Fine, whatever. But then she includes blurbage about her impartiality!? What a joke.

 

[acbytesla]

She was tasked with making a report on Ford. She was not tasked with making a report on Kavanaugh. That has nothing to do with HER being audacious.

What was audacious was her presenting herself in the report as an independent arbiter. She was hired by partisans who are hell bent to confirm come hell or high water. She was (apparently) given marching orders for the report by those same partisans -- a report that focused exclusively on Ford's testimony. Fine, whatever. But then she includes blurbage about her impartiality!? What a joke.

Exactly. She was hired by the Republican majority and tasked to do what they wanted her to do

 

[Slings and Arrows]

I hate to say it but the Dems could easily lose a couple of Senate seats...

Those extra Senate seats will be especially useful when Trump nominates Ruth Bader Ginsburg's replacement, which should be happening real soon.

 

[Belz...]

Those extra Senate seats will be especially useful when Trump nominates Ruth Bader Ginsburg's replacement, which should be happening real soon.

Do you salivate at the idea of putting women and minorities back in their place?

 

[acbytesla]

Those extra Senate seats will be especially useful when Trump nominates Ruth Bader Ginsburg's replacement, which should be happening real soon.

I doubt RBG will retire in the next two years. And she seems pretty damn healthy.

 

[Thermal]

Those extra Senate seats will be especially useful when Trump nominates Ruth Bader Ginsburg's replacement, which should be happening real soon.

You on some kind of mailing list you'd like to share?

 

[Slings and Arrows]

You on some kind of mailing list you'd like to share?

Yes, I'm on her Happy Birthday reminder list -- she'll be celebrating her 86th birthday in March.

 

[Thermal]

Yes, I'm on her Happy Birthday reminder list -- she'll be celebrating her 86th birthday in March.

Point taken. If she kicks along another year, she'd be hitting a safe window for replacement after the 2020 election. Not so confident Trump will have much say in her replacement by then.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Yeah, right, and we can take her word on that

Her job was to question a party. Certainly, she was hired so that a female would question the apparent victim rather than a bunch of guys.

But she did a decent, respectable job. I have no complaints about her performance.

That's different than lending credence to her conclusions that she arrived at after being paid by one side to only questioning one party. That's certainly not how she does it at work, right.

Just pointing out that I have reason not to trust her conclusions.

ETA: hadn't made it thought the rest of the thread, see also varwoche response

 

[quadraginta]

She was tasked with making a report on Ford. She was not tasked with making a report on Kavanaugh. That has nothing to do with HER being audacious.

Why was she tasked with only making a report on one when she was tasked with questioning both?

 

[theprestige]

Haha oh wow.

Then you were living in a cave.

Bullcrap yourself.

I don't know those terms, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist in 1980. It might have. Wasn't anything I encountered.

Your certainty that because you didn't know that silly abbreviation, it couldn't have existed in DC prep schools is just pathetic.

I am too, and it most certainly did.
And I am from a small backwards town out in the middle of nowhere.

Kav's Yale freshman roommate, Jamie Roche, says he heard Kav and his friends use those terms and that they had sexual connotations. He also said that Kav's definitions of the words "weren't interchangeable". He said Kav lied. LIED.

Because if you haven't heard of it, it simply doesn't exist, right?

What fascinating logic you conservatives use. LOL!

We worded it a little differently, but I agree.

<irrelevant research snipped>

You should do a little research before you start talking *****!

The above took we a 30 second Google search to find (it took me longer to type it out)

Some of you managed to completely miss the point.

BULLCRAP.! I'm a few years older than Kavanaugh it meant exactly that in 1980 what it means today. ALSO, FFFF meant Find her, Feel her **** her, Forget her.

BULLCRAP.! I'm a few years older than Kavanaugh it didn't even exist in 1980.

Thermal and varwoche, at least, understood what was going on.

We will have to come to a demonstrable agreement on the meaning of the slang term 'BULLCRAP'.

While I don't believe Kavanaugh's explanations of the terms, nonetheless I was living in the same cave as theprestige.

smartcooky, you should have taken your own advice before replying to me.

 

[Cabbage]

Haha oh wow.













Some of you managed to completely miss the point.





Thermal and varwoche, at least, understood what was going on.





smartcooky, you should have taken your own advice before replying to me.

Actually, I stand by my point you have poor logic skills.

And I see absolutely nothing to indicate otherwise.

Otherwise, you wouldn't cower away from answering the questions I've asked of you. LOL

 

[smartcooky]

Some of you managed to completely miss the point.


smartcooky, you should have taken your own advice before replying to me.

 

[Elagabalus]

That's all true but, sue me, I'd like people, myself included, to be more consistent in their ideologies so that, when someone on our "sides" does something wrong, we call it out. That way when we complain about those on the other "sides", we have the high ground...

Damn right.

I'm with Craig4. The High Ground is only important so you can "walk" the heavy artillery in to their targets.

IOW, the High Ground don't mean **** if you lose.

 

[Mumbles]

NO IT IS NOT. Keep in mind that the GOP acted grotesquely undemocratic in this process outrageously limiting discovery preventing reasonable judgement. They made pointed and perhaps even unfair questions a necessity. I mean if there is nothing to hide, why are they hiding everything?

I have something to say on this.

Thing is, the FBI really needs to keep the full contents of these types of investigations to themselves, as much as possible. If I know I have something about you that should be reported in any type of investigation, and that it could easily get back to you, and, say, we're related, or you have authority of some type over me...I'd be very tempted to keep it to myself. Ensuring that what they find is kept from public view is a necessary step to ensure that I feel free to speak freely to the investigator.

(This is not to say that McConnell isn't doing enormous damage to both the senate and the supreme court, but this is because he is unconcerned with any sort of institutional strength, preferring instead to do everything in his power to ensure one-party minority rule. had he followed anything even close to normal procedure over the past decade, he wouldn't be about to go down as one of the worst congressmen in US history to date.)

 

[acbytesla]

I have something to say on this.

Thing is, the FBI really needs to keep the full contents of these types of investigations to themselves, as much as possible. If I know I have something about you that should be reported in any type of investigation, and that it could easily get back to you, and, say, we're related, or you have authority of some type over me...I'd be very tempted to keep it to myself. Ensuring that what they find is kept from public view is a necessary step to ensure that I feel free to speak freely to the investigator.
(This is not to say that McConnell isn't doing enormous damage to both the senate and the supreme court, but this is because he is unconcerned with any sort of institutional strength, preferring instead to do everything in his power to ensure one-party minority rule. had he followed anything even close to normal procedure over the past decade, he wouldn't be about to go down as one of the worst congressmen in US history to date.)

I've heard that argument and it has some merit. But I wonder if it is overrated particularly in this case. There is a real problem of lack of transparency in our government. Where alternate facts are presented and actual facts are obfuscated and or ignored. Where the majority totally controls the information. Where the White House can bury the Senate in worthless information while concealing 90 percent of the relevant documents.

McConnell doesn't play fair. Never has, never will. Maybe there isnt anything innall those concealed documents that would dissuade any of the Senators or the public about Kavanaugh. But We will never know.

 

[Loss Leader]

It seems to me that it would be trivially easy to inject "doubt about anything whatsoever" into a Senate SCOTUS confirmation hearing. That is an extremely low bar, IOW and I think you are overstating the case.

It should be a low bar. It's a lifetime appointment. I think the American people deserve to have full confidence in the people chosen. There are plenty of other qualified guys - some are even privileged white men who hate abortion. Just nominate one of them.

 

[Dr. Keith]

It should be a low bar. It's a lifetime appointment. I think the American people deserve to have full confidence in the people chosen. There are plenty of other qualified guys - some are even privileged white men who hate abortion. Just nominate one of them.

This.