Lessons to be learned from the Kavanaugh Hearing

[The Great Zaganza]

Another lesson to be learned for girls going to parties:
wearing a one-piece swimming suit underneath seems like a smart move to me.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I'm pretty sure urbandictionary.com is not a reasonable source of truth for slang terms.

then pick something else.
But do you really think that Kavanaugh "ralphed" so much because he had a delicate tummy?

 

[Imhotep]

then pick something else.
But do you really think that Kavanaugh "ralphed" so much because he had a delicate tummy?

He ralphed so much because he was a loud, obnoxious drunk. Source for the bolded part: himself

He was probably mistaken about himself. Or maybe he had a different understanding of the terms loud, obnoxious, and drunk. That's probably it.

 

[Belz...]

The terms' meaning were not only disputed by viewers familiar with the terms, but also by his own classmates.

Yeah but come on... er... they're possibly confused about the term, and their recollection is from now, not from 1982, so we can discount that. They're also probably paid to say that. Anyway you'd need nothing short of a written statement by Kavanaugh within 2 weeks of the alledged assault to show that this is what the term meant.

 

[acbytesla]

THIS is the read du jour for disqualifying Kavanaugh? That's just desperate.

No, actually, they aren't transparent lies. I've never heard either term used as slang before. If they have some commonly accepted meaning now, that doesn't mean that that's what Kavanaugh meant back then. It's entirely possible he meant something else, and was honest about what he meant by it. It's entirely possible that he's just unaware of the common current usage. Hell, it's entirely possible he was unaware of the common usage back then. As has been pointed out, that was pre-internet days. Slang was more fragmented.

I personally went for many years under a serious misapprehension about what OPP stood for. I no longer know where I got the wrong definition from, or whether I was deliberately or accidentally misinformed.

BULLCRAP.! I'm a few years older than Kavanaugh it meant exactly that in 1980 what it means today. ALSO, FFFF meant Find her, Feel her **** her, Forget her.

 

[Ziggurat]

The terms' meaning were not only disputed by viewers familiar with the terms, but also by his own classmates.

My peers knew what OPP actually meant. I was the odd one out. It's slang, there was no available dictionary to look it up in, it was easy to go for a long time without having a common understanding of the definition.

It can also be funny to deliberately deceive someone about the meaning of a slang word. I'll give another personal example. One of my friends in college would occasionally make the sing language letter for "r", to stand for "rude", and use it to express (not always genuine) irritation. You make the letter by crossing the middle finger over the back of the index finger. Another dorm mate asked what it meant. I decided to mess with them, telling them that you cross the index finger over the back of the middle finger in order to flip someone off without it being obvious that that's what you're doing. If you don't know that the original hand gesture is a sign language "r" and how to make it, it's easy to mistake one gesture for the other. So one day this dorm mate flipped off my friend this way, and she was confused about it because it didn't match the "r" she would do. We had a little chuckle when I explained what I had done.

Seriously, this obsession with the most trivial of matters is not an attractive look. But if you really believe in it, then push for Democrats to make that the centerpiece of their campaign.

 

[Thermal]

THIS is the read du jour for disqualifying Kavanaugh? That's just desperate.

Deliberately lying to the committee? That's a problem and character issue, yes.

No, actually, they aren't transparent lies. I've never heard either term used as slang before. If they have some commonly accepted meaning now, that doesn't mean that that's what Kavanaugh meant back then. It's entirely possible he meant something else, and was honest about what he meant by it. It's entirely possible that he's just unaware of the common current usage. Hell, it's entirely possible he was unaware of the common usage back then. As has been pointed out, that was pre-internet days. Slang was more fragmented.

I personally went for many years under a serious misapprehension about what OPP stood for. I no longer know where I got the wrong definition from, or whether I was deliberately or accidentally misinformed.

I honestly can't tell if this is a Poe, denial, or what.

 

[Ziggurat]

BULLCRAP.! I'm a few years older than Kavanaugh it meant exactly that in 1980 what it means today.

But do you know that Kavanaugh knew that's what it meant?

No, actually, you don't.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Kavanaugh is the kind of guy who writes into his calendar terms he doesn't know what they mean.

How desperate do you have to be to make that argument?

 

[Thermal]

BULLCRAP.! I'm a few years older than Kavanaugh it meant exactly that in 1980 what it means today. ALSO, FFFF meant Find her, Feel her **** her, Forget her.

Seriously. These were not obscure terms.

Eta: FFFF could have very well meant 'Farewell, Famously Fine Friend'. Can you prove that's not how Kavanaugh meant it? Huh? HUH!?

 

[theprestige]

Seriously. These were not obscure terms.

BULLCRAP.! I'm a few years older than Kavanaugh it didn't even exist in 1980.

 

[Ziggurat]

Kavanaugh is the kind of guy who writes into his calendar terms he doesn't know what they mean.

How desperate do you have to be to make that argument?

Oh, I expect he thought he knew what they meant. That doesn't mean he did.

And you're resorting to Booferism as your current hope to stop Kavanaugh's confirmation. You're not in a position to lecture me about desperation.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Oh, I expect he thought he knew what they meant. That doesn't mean he did.

And you're resorting to Booferism as your current hope to stop Kavanaugh's confirmation. You're not in a position to lecture me about desperation.

Actually, I'm not.

I'm using the testimony of his friends and peers and of 500 Law professors to stop his confirmation.
After his performance, you cannot in good conscious support Kavanaugh's bid for the Supreme Court - unless you don't give a **** about judicial impartiality.

 

[Cavemonster]

THIS is the read du jour for disqualifying Kavanaugh? That's just desperate.

No, actually, they aren't transparent lies. I've never heard either term used as slang before. If they have some commonly accepted meaning now, that doesn't mean that that's what Kavanaugh meant back then. It's entirely possible he meant something else, and was honest about what he meant by it. It's entirely possible that he's just unaware of the common current usage. Hell, it's entirely possible he was unaware of the common usage back then. As has been pointed out, that was pre-internet days. Slang was more fragmented.

I personally went for many years under a serious misapprehension about what OPP stood for. I no longer know where I got the wrong definition from, or whether I was deliberately or accidentally misinformed.

We delve into the distinction between possible and probable.

We're looking at at least a half dozen words and phrases here, all related to sex and alcohol.

We're talking about a guy who described his group at the time as "Loud obnoxious drunks" and whose group was documented in an autobiography titled "Wasted: tales of a GenX drunk".

And his personal claims for the meanings of these words and phrases are all different than the more common reading, and in some cases the readings of basic common sense and that his school peers have put forward.

While it certainly may be possible that ALL of these phrases had peculiar idiosyncratic meanings and he was totally unaware of the more common use, surely you see that's straining probability.

Maybe one or two cases, but so many drifts into the realm where a man caught cheating tells his wife that the woman slipped and fell onto his penis. While it is possible in that it doesn't break the laws of physics, it would be miraculously coincidental.

 

[Belz...]

But do you know that Kavanaugh knew that's what it meant?

No, actually, you don't.

Zig, seriously, stop. If he had actually raped her and you had testimony and a rape kit you'd get someone arguing that perhaps his penis slipped inside her by accident. There's a point where contortions to excuse an obvious fact tip into the ridiculous. You crossed that line a while ago.

ETA: Altered to remove any implication that Ziggurat would defend actual rape. The point wasn't to claim that, but to illustrate how ridiculous the excuses to defend Kavanaugh have become. Sorry about all that, Zig.

 

[Thermal]

BULLCRAP.! I'm a few years older than Kavanaugh it didn't even exist in 1980.

We will have to come to a demonstrable agreement on the meaning of the slang term 'BULLCRAP'.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Some people aren't going to be happy until the entire language has to be rebuilt from scratch for every discussion and will continue to hide it behind "But we're just trying to be clear."

 

[Cavemonster]

Zig, seriously, stop. If he had actually raped her and you had testimony and a rape kit you'd be arguing that perhaps his penis slipped inside her by accident. There's a point where contortions to excuse an obvious fact tip into the ridiculous. You crossed that line a while ago.

Jinx

 

[Ziggurat]

Zig, seriously, stop. If he had actually raped her and you had testimony and a rape kit you'd be arguing that perhaps his penis slipped inside her by accident. There's a point where contortions to excuse an obvious fact tip into the ridiculous. You crossed that line a while ago.

First off, equating the use of slang to rape is pathetic. These aren't equivalent issues by any possible stretch of the imagination.

Secondly, no, if they had a rape kit that would be actual evidence. And actual evidence can change everything. An accusation with actual evidence is fundamentally different than an accusation with no evidence. The serious accusation here, the alleged sexual assault, has no evidence to support it. The slang issue is not a serious accusation.

And it's the height of hypocrisy to accuse me of crossing a line when you call me a denier of demonstrated rape. I wish you were better than that, but you keep proving that you aren't. And you wonder where the hostility between us comes from? Look in the mirror, Belz.

 

[Ziggurat]

Actually, I'm not.

I'm using the testimony of his friends and peers and of 500 Law professors to stop his confirmation.

500 law professors weighed in on the meaning of Boofing? I find that unlikely.

But seriously, what do you think that letter actually means other than that you can find 500 liberal law professors? Nothing. It means absolutely nothing other than that. And while being a liberal certainly suffices to oppose a conservative nominee, that's not enough to get a conservative to oppose a conservative nominee.