New SCOTUS Judge II: The Wrath of Kavanaugh

Bogative said:
Looking at year books is not the problem, calling the man a liar because one wants to believe a made-up word he used means something other than what he says it does.
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The people he went to school with apparently don't think it means what he is claiming it means.
 
Minoosh said:
Per NYT:



There was a verse that said something like "if you don't have a date, call Renate" which doesn't even rhyme, as far as I can tell.

The football team was listed as "Renate alumni."

The problem is, I don't think anyone could come up with an innocuous meaning for all that. Of course it could all just be a bad joke along the lines of the girl who ****** the whole football team.

Kavanaugh says he kissed her goodnight ... she says they never kissed.
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According to Kavanaugh's lawyer they met once at a party and kissed goodnight. According to Kavanaugh's testimony she was one of his group of friends and they went to lots of parties together, and all it means is that she's part of the gang.

Simple, really.
 
Could someone explain to me how it is that the FBI cannot investigate issues like this however they see fit rather than have a time limit, a list of individuals they are permitted to interview and a restrictions on the scope of their investigation?

Explain it to me as if I were Donald Trump.
 
River said:
The tickets would be part of the "memorable" category. The fight certainly could fit into traumatic. I got kicked in the balls, and punched in the face and body multiple times, also choked by a 27 year old man that was 6' 1" and about 240 lbs. I won the fight, but that doesn't mean I didn't get my ass beat too. (i was much younger, and not nearly that built or heavy) I still have a scar from it, though not mentally like Ford just a physical one.
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How have you independently verified the details you are remembering, how often do you do so, and when was the last time you did so?
 
Meadmaker said:
Now, let's pick another random date. Let's say, I don't know, September 11, 2001. Not random? Yeah, that's true. It isn't. Neither is the day that Ms. Ford (allegedly) was assaulted.
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/911-memory-accuracy/

With emotional events like 9/11, I think we do have better memory for the important details [as compared with a neutral event]—we just don't have great memory for all the details. And we think we do, and that's the real contrast.

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It's important to mention that when we talk about "accuracy" here, we mean accuracy for details like, how did find you find out about 9/11, or who were you with? It's not the case that you don't have a fairly vivid image in your head of the planes crashing into the building. No one's forgetting 9/11 occurred.

Our measure of accuracy is consistency with what people told us in the survey the week after the attack. From that first survey to the second survey a year later, the overall consistency of the details of how they learned of 9/11 was only 63 percent. At the third survey, three years after the attack, consistency was 57 percent. So people were only a little more than 50 percent right for a lot of the details.
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So, emotional events - using the specific example you've chosen to use - make the important details (what happened, where it happened, who was present) more vivid, but do not make the other details more likely to be remembered correctly or at all.

This supports the idea that Ford could remember the assault, how it happened, and who was involved and at the party, yet not remember how she got there or how she got home.
 
sylvan8798 said:
How did she know that Kavanaugh and Judge had a guy named PJ in their circle of friends that summer? Does everyone have a guy named PJ in their circle of friends in the summer of 1982?
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Absolutely all of my friends at that time did.

I may not be representative of the general population on this particular point.
 
https://twitter.com/DFranklinChi/status/1045690113819381761

Regardless of who is right about events of 36 years ago, and regardless of how aggrieved Kavanaugh feels – even if he is rightly aggrieved – vowing retribution against a political party is disqualifying. 4/7
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https://twitter.com/DFranklinChi/status/1045690118080737280

Remember, Kavanaugh is a sitting judge. Canon of Judicial Ethics 5(A), (C): “A judge should not … make speeches for a political organization [or] engage in any other political activity.” 5/7
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Bogative said:
Mostly. Nothing that would disqualify him from the position.
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Okay, to summarize
1) you do NOT think that he was "completely honest" during questioning, and
2) you do not care that a supreme court justice is not completely honest during testimony
 
angrysoba said:
Could someone explain to me how it is that the FBI cannot investigate issues like this however they see fit rather than have a time limit, a list of individuals they are permitted to interview and a restrictions on the scope of their investigation?

Explain it to me as if I were Donald Trump.
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I was thinking exactly the same thing.
 
acbytesla said:
Here's the problem River. Everyone is not you.

Different people respond to situations differently. Your thinking is very much aligned with, I did it, why doesn't everyone else? My father landed on Omaha Beach on D-Day. He said some men could and did handle it while others froze and got killed. And you can't tell who's going to freeze until they were in the heat of battle.

Also, memory is one weird thing. I can remember virtually EVERYTHING about from 2 minutes before my sister told me my mother had a pulmonary embolism and passed away and for the hour following that but the rest of that day nothing. That was 40 years ago.

Judging others through your own perspective is really a bit self centered.
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Funny how selective people are when it fits their narrative. Lets just all forget about what the accuser said about burned in memories. Lets forget all the inconsistencies involved, and just believe. Right?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It might not enlighten you River, you may not get the meaning of my comment, but this is an example of why you don't get it. It's from my neighborhood forum:

“I draw a line down the middle of a chalkboard, sketching a male symbol on one side and a female symbol on the other. Then I ask just the men: What steps do you guys take, on a daily basis, to prevent yourselves from being sexually assaulted?

At first there is a kind of awkward silence as the men try to figure out if they've been asked a trick question. The silence gives way to a smattering of nervous laughter. Occasionally, a young a guy will raise his hand and say, 'I stay out of prison.' This is typically followed by another moment of laughter, before someone finally raises his hand and soberly states, 'Nothing. I don't think about it.'

Then I ask women the same question. What steps do you take on a daily basis to prevent yourselves from being sexually assaulted?

Women throughout the audience immediately start raising their hands. As the men sit in stunned silence, the women recount safety precautions they take as part of their daily routine.

Here are some of their answers: Hold my keys as a potential weapon. Look in the back seat of the car before getting in. Carry a cell phone. Don't go jogging at night. Lock all the windows when I sleep, even on hot summer nights. Be careful not to drink too much. Don't put my drink down and come back to it; make sure I see it being poured. Own a big dog. Carry Mace or pepper spray. Have an unlisted phone number. Have a man's voice on my answering machine. Park in well-lit areas. Don't use parking garages. Don't get on elevators with only one man, or with a group of men. Vary my route home from work. Watch what I wear. Don't use highway rest areas. Use a home alarm system. Don't wear headphones when jogging. Avoid forests or wooded areas, even in the daytime. Don't take a first-floor apartment. Go out in groups. Own a firearm. Meet men on first dates in public places. Make sure to have a car or cab fare. Don't make eye contact with men on the street. Make assertive eye contact with men on the street.”

― Jackson Katz, The Macho Paradox: Why Some Men Hurt Women and How All Men Can Help
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Ignore the facts, think of the feelings River! The FEELINGS!

Let me ask, do you believe in equal rights for everyone?
 
Geez, the Judicial Crisis Network works fast...

New political saturation ad with several old girlfriends stating why Kav must be approved.
 
Bob001 said:
The issue is whether Kav's memory is reliable when he says he never engaged in behavior like Ford describes. If he had a history of heavy drinking, let alone blackouts, his claims about his sterling behavior are less believable.
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Something in the way he responded to the allegations makes me suspect that he knows he was a blackout drinker and that he might have done things out of character while under the influence.

He has a few non-responsive lines: That he'd never sexually assaulted someone; that he was a virgin in high school; and that no one else remembers that happening (although he probably cast this as they denied it ever happened - which a careful user of language shouldn't do). Plus, his aggressive response to questions if he'd ever blacked out.

I suspect he knows he had a personality change under alcohol and while he is sure he hasn't raped anyone, he is not 100 percent he didn't exhibit aggression when drunk.
 
angrysoba said:
Could someone explain to me how it is that the FBI cannot investigate issues like this however they see fit rather than have a time limit, a list of individuals they are permitted to interview and a restrictions on the scope of their investigation?

Explain it to me as if I were Donald Trump.
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I'm confused. Do you want the real reason, or what Trump would see as the reason, or how one of his lackeys would convince him? They're all variations on "because he really did do it" anyway.

Minoosh said:
I suspect he knows he had a personality change under alcohol and while he is sure he hasn't raped anyone, he is not 100 percent he didn't exhibit aggression when drunk.
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In the email (allegedly) from Kavanaugh linked just above he's apologizing for being aggressive while blackout drunk. In 2001, twenty years after the incident with Ford.
 
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