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The Big Dog said:
Do try to keep up, Dr. Keith tried your same scam a few hours ago.
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Apparently pointing out to you that you were broadcasting unfounded lies is now a "scam". "If this is true" is almost as good as a formerly respected conservative poster's old ploy of publishing scurrilous rumors "just to show the kind of stuff that's out there". Gee, I don't believe it, but.....

Yeah, you go Big Dog! You pounced on it like it was a pork loin! But do keep arguing back. It just reminds everyone that you're into only the seventh inning and it's Avenatti 22 runs, 84 hits and no errors and TBD 0/0/7.
 
I remember two incidents where I can remember the name of the girl, one from high school and one from college, where I heard guys talking about how a large group of men had their way with them after they were too drunk to object.



Neither girl filed a police report. They both just lived with it and seemed to think they deserved it for getting so drunk. One of them had the additional embarrassment of having her name plastered all over the bathrooms as part of very lewd graffiti.
 
smartcooky said:
I think it would be fair to say that where a girl comes from would not be one of the top criteria that testosterone-fuelled frat-boys use to determine whether or not they could feed her quaaludes and get into her pants.

Those criteria are likely to be (in no particular order)

- Is she good looking?
- Does she have a nice pair?
- Does she seem vulnerable?
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I would say that's probably the first criterion. Predators learn to identify prey.
 
Senate Judiciary Committee staff interviewed two men who said they believed that they, and not US Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, had "the encounter" with the woman who accused Kavanaugh of sexually assaulting her when they were teenagers, according to new information released Wednesday night by the committee.

The revelation — which came on the eve of much-anticipated public testimony from Kavanaugh and the woman who has accused him of assault, Christine Blasey Ford — included few details. The committee didn't identify the men, offer details about what they said, state whether committee staff found their accounts credible, or indicate whether there would be any further follow-up.
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Linky.

If my understanding is correct, these are two separate people claiming they were confused with Kavanaugh. So at least one person is mistakenly confessing to the wrong assault or lying.
 
Travis said:
You really don't get it. In the 80's and into the 90's this was normalized. No one reported it because the victim was just a "slut" that got what she "wanted". There was no one to turn to. The best they could hope for is someone giving them some moralizing speech on why they shouldn't have drunk so much.



Bottom line: the culture of the time made the girls not victims but the responsible party. Adults wouldn't help them. The other girls would just laugh and call her a slut.
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Kavanaugh is only two years younger than me, so there isn't that much difference in time. Culture, though? Midwestern small town for high school. Large midwestern university (U of Illinois) for college.

Maybe Maryland was different.


Some things I would expect that I didn't believe, and am still very skeptical of, when it comes to Ms. Swetnik's story.


That high school boys would "line up", for an opportunity to have sex with a semiconscious or unconscious girl. At least half of the guys who graduated high school at the time really were virgins. At least nationally.


That no one would step in. In the story from Elizabeth Rasor, her boyfriend put a stop to it. That's what I would expect.


That it happened on multiple occasions, as a planned activity. One, spontaneous, event I could see. Repeatedly drugging women, and no one reports it? I believed it was impossible, and I have a hard time imagining it.



All I can say is that where I grew up, in the high school class of 1980, what she described would be unthinkable, and it would be in the frat parties of U of I at the time I attended as well. If that changed since my youth, the world is a much worse place.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
The author of the article isn't related to Kavanaugh or the accusers, but shares her experience of the time:



Linky.
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Bumped for emphasis.

When others on the forum doubted the story of boys lining out outside a room like that, I looked for that article but could not find it.

Note that this article was published several days ago, before Swetnick's allegations went public.
 
Meadmaker said:
All I can say is that where I grew up, in the high school class of 1980, what she described would be unthinkable, and it would be in the frat parties of U of I at the time I attended as well. If that changed since my youth, the world is a much worse place.
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One key difference might have been class - the difference between going to a normal middle class public school, vs a fairly elite prep school, U of I vs Yale.

Kavanaugh did not live the normal American life, his education reflected a life's immersion in elitist environments.

I never saw anything at all like what is described in these stories - but I didn't live the life he has, a life of boarding and prep schools, of beach houses and boats. The rules that apply to you and I never applied to Kavanaugh, people like him buy or threaten their way out of life's difficulties.

Maybe it finally caught up with him.
 
Meadmaker said:
Kavanaugh is only two years younger than me, so there isn't that much difference in time. Culture, though? Midwestern small town for high school. Large midwestern university (U of Illinois) for college.

Maybe Maryland was different.


Some things I would expect that I didn't believe, and am still very skeptical of, when it comes to Ms. Swetnik's story.


That high school boys would "line up", for an opportunity to have sex with a semiconscious or unconscious girl. At least half of the guys who graduated high school at the time really were virgins. At least nationally.


That no one would step in. In the story from Elizabeth Rasor, her boyfriend put a stop to it. That's what I would expect.


That it happened on multiple occasions, as a planned activity. One, spontaneous, event I could see. Repeatedly drugging women, and no one reports it? I believed it was impossible, and I have a hard time imagining it.



All I can say is that where I grew up, in the high school class of 1980, what she described would be unthinkable, and it would be in the frat parties of U of I at the time I attended as well. If that changed since my youth, the world is a much worse place.
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Seems to me that you believe growing up in the 70's and 80's was a "cookie cutter" experience for everyone, that because you experienced what you did, so everyone else would have experienced the same environments and attitudes.

My experience of the environment I grew in at High School is closer to what others have described than yours. I grew up with some genuine ratbags, and some guys who were just out to get pissed and laid as often as they could. And yes, I did hear of a couple of occasions in my 6th form year where female students "pulled the train" after they had been gotten drunk by one or more of the ratbags. Did I report it? Certainly not! I didn't want to get my head bashed in.
 
AnonyMoose said:
Sounds to me like Kavanaugh had a big drinking problem back in the day.

But then he found jesus, voted republican, married a wonderful christian girl.... and is now an upstanding (believe me), wonderful (the best), and the most moral man ever (the greatest) to bless the judge's bench in all of US history.

Hallelujah. Praise jesus.
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Yet another reason to keep him off the Supreme Court.
 
What we have seen since Cosby and Weinstein and before, is that men who got away with sexual molestation tend to do it again ... and again ...

We have also seen that the victims are facing a kind of "Penguins on the ice float" situation, were the first to jump in risks being eaten by the orcas: if the first accuser isn't instantly discredited and marginalized in the public awareness, other women who suffered are likely to come forward.

So there is a very good reason to make the default position on rape accusations: investigate and wait.
 
Meadmaker said:
Of course she didn't remember how she got there, but she had to get there somehow. She was 15. She didn't drive herself. Walk? I suppose we could check a map to see how far it was, if we knew where she lived, but let's see, she remembers running from the house, but not how she got home? Even though the way she got home was highly unusual?

I spent an awful lot of time out drinking, mostly at small gatherings, typically seven to 10 people. Sometimes more. I figure if you counted up all of the nights I was drinking in high school, it would number about 200. I'm confident that not once did anyone just disappear and we didn't give it a thought. Never. She goes to the bathroom and never comes back*, and her friends just keep drinking without a thought? And the subject never comes up when they see her again? No way. Vanishing under those circumstances would not be a trivial thing.



This is one of those cases where her 30 year old memories cannot be doubted, but no one else's 30 year old memories can be trusted. It doesn't add up.

ETA* Or runs through the living room in obvious stress. It's not clear from her description if she exited the house where she would have been seen.
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If you know that she doesn't remember how she got to the party, then why did you write that they boy who had driven her there had to notice she wasn't there anymore?

She could well have walked and like you said, we don't know where the house was in relation to her own home.
 
If Kavanaugh is found not fit for appointment to the supreme court then what impact should or would this have on his present appointment as a federal judge? If this information had been available when appointed as a federal judge I suspect he would not have been appointed.

His best option might to be to withdraw; this avoids a 'judgement' that he is unsuitable to be a (supreme court) federal judge.
 
This poll was conducted up until 24th Sept, so I would imagine it excludes the latest Swetnick allegations, but it's still surprising:

"..a majority of Republicans (54%) say the judge should be confirmed even if the allegations of sexual misconduct are true, according to The Marist poll."

- This survey of 997 adults was conducted September 22nd through September 24th, 2018
- 80% were registered voters identifying 36% D, 27% R, 34% I
 
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It is glaringly obvious that Republicans judge Kavanaugh by the standards of the 1980's whilst the Democrats prefer 2018's levels of conduct.
I guess an argument could be made either way, but since there is no shortage of qualified candidates for Supreme Court, what's wrong with expecting candidates to be far above the norm?
 
theprestige said:
You really think Trump was telling the truth in that audio clip?
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I know it is jaw dropping but given the many reports of how he assaulted women, even his own wife it really does seem that for once he may have been telling the truth. However given his pathology it actually isn't surprising if he thinks that what he claimed makes him look good.
 
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