Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

Dr. Keith said:
Read the whole article. Nothing else in the article supports his first assertion, it only supports the second reason.

Again, we are letting you pick the sources and you still can't make the point you want to make.
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fantastic! You have backed off your claim that it was "undermined."

Which is progress of a sort

Yang Fenggang, the director of the Center on Religion and Chinese Society at Purdue University, said a combination of “militant atheism” and nationalism is driving the latest crackdown on Christianity.

Whereas in the past “foreign religions” like Christianity and Islam were dealt with through soft measures such as admonishment and education campaigns, under President Xi’s rule, the authorities have seen it as imperative to employ heavy-handed tactics to suppress their growth, Mr. Yang said.
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Cite to a Religious publication! Shock/horror!
 
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Dr. Keith said:
No comment on your failure to see that the bare assertion is not supported in any way by the article you cited to support that assertion?

Cite to a bio. Not at all shocked.
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Bingo! We just covered the fact that you walked back the false undermine claim. Look at those goalposts skedaddle!

But yes, in my haste to spoon feed every single thing to people, I accidentally posted the link to the author's bio rather than the link to the actual article (which was linked on the page, of course)

Here is the correct link:

https://www.americamagazine.org/fai...rgeting-young-christians-its-latest-crackdown

Which would have been IMPOSSIBLE to find without my citing it. Of course.
 
The Big Dog said:
Bingo! We just covered the fact that you walked back the false undermine claim. Look at those goalposts skedaddle!

But yes, in my haste to spoon feed every single thing to people, I accidentally posted the link to the author's bio rather than the link to the actual article (which was linked on the page, of course)

Here is the correct link:

https://www.americamagazine.org/fai...rgeting-young-christians-its-latest-crackdown

Which would have been IMPOSSIBLE to find without my citing it. Of course.
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Having been on the receiving end of a catholic education I can state for the record that the Jesuits are on the front line of sussing out the ungodly atheists wherever they may raise their ugly heads.

Child molestors? not so much.
 
BStrong said:
Having been on the receiving end of a catholic education I can state for the record that the Jesuits are on the front line of sussing out the ungodly atheists wherever they may raise their ugly heads.
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Neither Verna Yu nor Yang Fenggang, the director of the Center on Religion and Chinese Society at Purdue University are Jesuits.

Cool story otherwise
 
halleyscomet said:
You claim that atheism is responsible for the crimes committed in China. What is it about atheism that, in your opinion, might be giving rise to such behavior?

Why do you believe Chinese atheists are committing such atrocities when atheists in, for example, Norway are not?
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This is a question I'd like to see addressed, but odds are it won't be.

I'm nowhere near caught up, but I'm not sure the OP even claimed this persecution was motivated by atheism, even if the links do. IMO putting "atheist" in the thread title is just a way to push people's buttons.
 
The Big Dog said:
Bingo! We just covered the fact that you walked back the false undermine claim. Look at those goalposts skedaddle!
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No, I let it slide because I don't give a **** about a semantic sidetrack while I'm trying to pull a coherent argument out of you which is already not worth the effort. The second reason completely undermines the first. The article shows tons of evidence for the second and none for the first.

That is two articles you have cited that support the argument that atheism isn't the cause or driver of these atrocities.

But yes, in my haste to spoon feed every single thing to people, I accidentally posted the link to the author's bio rather than the link to the actual article (which was linked on the page, of course)

Here is the correct link:

https://www.americamagazine.org/fai...rgeting-young-christians-its-latest-crackdown

Which would have been IMPOSSIBLE to find without my citing it. Of course.
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And again, they cite the same professor and he makes the same two pronged assertion without any support for the atheism prong.

So, that is three articles. One of which doesn't mention atheism. Two of which cite the same professor who asserts that there are two reasons for the crackdown, but provides neither article provides any support for one of those reasons.

Again, your sources show that you have no point. Well done.

Do you think you can find another article citing the same professor making the same assertion without any support?
 
The Big Dog said:
fantastic! You have backed off your claim that it was "undermined."

Which is progress of a sort
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Is it? You happily torpedoed your own source once it was identified as a fundie bucket of wingnuttery.

The Big Dog said:
Cite to a Religious publication! Shock/horror!
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Aaaaand another wingnut source. You really seem to not care about credibility in any form. That article straight out states that catholics may create a rucuss, but **** them. Popes right.

And you like that.
 
Dr. Keith said:
No, I let it slide because I don't give a **** about a semantic sidetrack while I'm trying to pull a coherent argument out of you which is already not worth the effort. The second reason completely undermines the first. The article shows tons of evidence for the second and none for the first.

That is two articles you have cited that support the argument that atheism isn't the cause or driver of these atrocities.



And again, they cite the same professor and he makes the same two pronged assertion without any support for the atheism prong.

So, that is three articles. One of which doesn't mention atheism. Two of which cite the same professor who asserts that there are two reasons for the crackdown, but provides neither article provides any support for one of those reasons.

Again, your sources show that you have no point. Well done.

Do you think you can find another article citing the same professor making the same assertion without any support?
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Y'all see when he said it was "undermined" and then I showed it wasn't, and he rapidly changed the subject it was just semantics,

And of the numerous articles i have cited including the one in the OP (which a skeptic claimed does not say atheism but did), I guess there was one which was cited as a follow up to the first that did not contain the word. :rolleyes:

An expert in Chinese religion and numerous other sources explains that on-going persecution of religious people in China is because of anti-religious policies adopted by the Officially Atheist CCP, who requires all members to be Firm Marxist Atheists, but our correspondents are unconvinced that the persecution by atheists against religious people is due to their athiesm policies.

Well, lets agree to disagree!

/dream thread
 
The Big Dog said:
Y'all see when he said it was "undermined" and then I showed it wasn't, and he rapidly changed the subject it was just semantics,
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Would you prefer overshadowed?

And of the numerous articles i have cited including the one in the OP (which a skeptic claimed does not say atheism but did), I guess there was one which was cited as a follow up to the first that did not contain the word. :rolleyes:

An expert in Chinese religion and numerous other sources explains that on-going persecution of religious people in China is because of anti-religious policies adopted by the Officially Atheist CCP, who requires all members to be Firm Marxist Atheists, but our correspondents are unconvinced that the persecution by atheists against religious people is due to their athiesm policies.
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They claim that, but they do not show it. Whereas they provide tons of evidence that the real reason is the authoritarian nature of the regime.

Well, lets agree to disagree!

/dream thread
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Indeed. It is fascinating.
 
The Big Dog said:
Cool story otherwise
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That’s right folks. Sex abuse by Catholic clergy gets a “Cool story” response from The Big Dog.

I wonder if he feels the same way about sex abuse by Mormon bishops during the one-on-one “interrogations” they conduct.
 
Dr. Keith said:
No comment on your failure to see that the bare assertion is not supported in any way by the article you cited to support that assertion?
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He lies about what people said in the very posts he’s quoting. It would be naïve to expect he tell the truth about the articles to which he links.
 
The Big Dog said:
Overshadowed? Ok great!

Crackdown due to “militant atheism” and nationalism.

CONSENSUS!
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You are quite excitable, aren't you.

Overshadowed to the point of irrelevance.

Such that there was no discernible evidence of that being the reason in the articles you pointed me to, other than an assertion by one professor.

Sure, we can call that consensus. Especially since you chose to move on from atheism in general to some nebulous concept of "militant atheism". I still didn't see any support for it as a cause, but since I have no idea what it is and it certainly doesn't describe anyone I know, have at it.
 
The Big Dog said:
An expert in Chinese religion and numerous other sources explains that on-going persecution of religious people in China is because of anti-religious policies adopted by the Officially Atheist CCP, who requires all members to be Firm Marxist Atheists, but our correspondents are unconvinced that the persecution by atheists against religious people is due to their athiesm policies.
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The same that priests violating children is not due to their belief in the Sermon of the Mount. I hope so.

You think that because a Christian teacher claims something this is already true. Gee, I thought the Holy Spirit only speaks to the Pope.
You believe that an article that doesn't even talk about atheism is referring to atheism.

Are you kidding us? Do you usually think like that?
 
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The Big Dog said:
An expert in Chinese religion catholicism and numerous other sources explains that on-going persecution of religious priests people in China in your parish is because of anti-religious policies adopted by the Officially Atheist CCP normal people opposed to institutional child rape, who requires all members to be Firm Marxist Atheists subservient to the clergy, but our correspondents are unconvinced that the persecution by atheists victims against religious people those blessed clergy is due to their athiesm anti-priest policies.

Well, lets agree to disagree!
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Funny how that works.
 
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