Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

sylvan8798 said:
Perhaps in the interest of not contributing to climate issues we could just shred the bibles, or maybe feed them to the goats? There WILL be goats, will there not?

And what are the raffle items this year? Last year's raffle of souls did not end well as I recall.
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This year we got primo souls, None of those knock-off ones from eBay. Also a 10-speed bike!

Yes to goats, 4 varieties [Pygmy, Alpine, Boer and Anglo-Nubian] and yes there will be an open bar with a group tab.
 
Dr. Keith said:
May I suggest you reread it.

Assuming this is a fair representation of your point, I know it is a big assumption, this doesn't really explain much more. the only quote that seems to be relevant is:

It would be nice if Yang Fenggang explained why he thought the motivation came from atheist ideology and what sort of atheist ideology. But he doesn't. I suppose he may have told the reporter, but the reporter didn't feel the need to include that in this article. Too bad, since that is really the question I asked. Not "do you think this push is related to atheism?" but "why do you think that?"

Is it too much to ask for you to put this in your own words?

Also, the rest of the article provides more support for rising nationalism being the main driver here, rather than some nebulous concept of "atheist ideology".
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You have hit the bulls-eye. But I have found that Brother Big Dog never reads -- or doesn't understand-- what he links. And it useless to tell him. Because then he takes up his mantra again.
 
The Big Dog said:
Cyber News Service
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I don't know what CNS means, but it seems an ultraconservative oriented page. I have read this and found some informative pearls.

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/spanish-actor-arrested-i-st-god-and-virgin-mary

First of all: Willy Toledo has explained that his utterances are intentionally provocative. He intends to call attention to the wave of prosecutions for religious offences in Spain. Here the persecuted are atheists and persecutors Christians. Take note.

I have followed the case and never read that Toledo has said that the judge was “possessed by the devil”. It would be strange in an atheist.

The article includes an image of the Valle de los Caídos, which is said to be a “catholic basilica”. El Valle de los Caidos is not a simple “basilica”. This monument is in reality the tomb of fascist dictator Franco and an exaltation of his victory against the democratic Republic. This basilica is the remnant of a dictatorship and the support that the Catholic Church gave to him.

I don’t know why the article mentions the “atheist” president Pedro Sánchez that has nothing to do with this issue. It seems that the author is trying to link leftist Toledo with moderate Sánchez. Perhaps he means that to have a non-religious President is a blasphemy in itself. The mention to President’s “atheism” is unthinkable in Spain. Even the most stupid ultraconservative media wouldn't say this. We are in Europe... or almost.

This information is a clear example of biassed news, whatever could be the name of this web page. And this is why is quoted by Brother Big Dog.
 
David Mo said:
This basilica is the remnant of a dictatorship and the support that the Catholic Church gave to him.
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I can't believe that the Catholic Church would ever support a dictator just because he was a Catholic. Didn't he also persecute socialists, communists and atheists?!
And I don't understand why Willy Toledo has to '**** on God' and on the 'Virgin Mary'. Don't you have proper toilet facilities in modern Spain?
 
abaddon said:
Actually, Cybercast News Service and renamed from the original Conservative News Service.



But TBD doesn't want you to know that.
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Do you think he might be one of the editors or correspondents?
 
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abaddon said:
You're welcome.
For shiggles CNS likes them some Ken Ham

That's their level of fruitloopery.
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And The Big Dog cites them as if they were an unbiased source. :D

I think The Big Dog has done us a favor by illustrating the fact that The Jesus Flavored Taliban gladly ignores the complexities of the real world to create straw men that are easy for them to grasp and hate.
 
The Big Dog said:
That is not what the site itself says:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070818184257/http://www.cnsnews.com/corporate/history.asp
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Dude, their original URL was conservativenews.org
https://www.nytimes.com/1998/06/18/...-news-site-will-fill-a-void-founder-says.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNSNews.com

The Wayback Machine even captured part of the re-branding process when the organization used both URLS at the same time:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080705095851/http://www.conservativenews.org:80/
 
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halleyscomet said:
Dude, their original URL was conservativenews.org
https://www.nytimes.com/1998/06/18/...-news-site-will-fill-a-void-founder-says.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNSNews.com

The Wayback Machine even captured part of the re-branding process when the organization used both URLS at the same time:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080705095851/http://www.conservativenews.org:80/
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It was evident to me only reading a single article.

Anyway, the problem with Brother Big Dog's source is that the article doesn't argument the headline, it is to say why atheism is the cause of the persecution of underground churches and separatist Muslims. This is an assumption of the conservative (?) professor quoted. The body of the article clearly pointed to strong repressive measures against public threats to central government, not atheism.
 
The Big Dog said:
That is not what the site itself says:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070818184257/http://www.cnsnews.com/corporate/history.asp

The Professor who was quoted in that article was from Purdue. As such, as I showed earlier, we are dealing with pure ad hominem.
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Indeed, but the article failed to quote anything other than his assertion. He provided no support for this assertion at all. In fact, he even undermined his assertion in the very next paragraph and the rest of the article went on to show that his undermining statement had more weight than his prior assertion.

Another article that does not support your conclusion, so I appreciate you sharing it in what I hope is some sort of indication that your views may be in flux.

But hey, it did include the word atheist, so there is that.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Indeed, but the article failed to quote anything other than his assertion. He provided no support for this assertion at all. In fact, he even undermined his assertion in the very next paragraph and the rest of the article went on to show that his undermining statement had more weight than his prior assertion.

Another article that does not support your conclusion, so I appreciate you sharing it in what I hope is some sort of indication that your views may be in flux.

But hey, it did include the word atheist, so there is that.
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It did not undermine the assertion.

A U.S.-based expert on religion in China on Wednesday attributed the crackdown to Xi’s “atheist ideology” as well as surging nationalism.

“I think the motivation primarily comes from the atheist ideology that Chairman Xi Jinping learned during his formative years of the late 1950s and 1960s,” said Yang Fenggang, director of the Center on Religion and Chinese Society at Purdue University.

“Rising nationalism is another factor for the anti-Christian and anti-Islamic campaigns,” he said in response to queries, referring in the latter case to the state’s treatment of Uighur Muslims.
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Gee, he cited two reasons, the second does not undermine the first, of course.
 
The Big Dog said:
It did not undermine the assertion.

Gee, he cited two reasons, the second does not undermine the first, of course.
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You claim that atheism is responsible for the crimes committed in China. What is it about atheism that, in your opinion, might be giving rise to such behavior?

Why do you believe Chinese atheists are committing such atrocities when atheists in, for example, Norway are not?
 
The Big Dog said:
It did not undermine the assertion.



Gee, he cited two reasons, the second does not undermine the first, of course.
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Read the whole article. Nothing else in the article supports his first assertion, it only supports the second reason.

Again, we are letting you pick the sources and you still can't make the point you want to make.
 
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