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With term limits you would probably get more of those same type of battles. Voters thinking "I liked the guy I voted for last time, but he's gone so its an open field for me to cast my vote".
Our experience in California is that a more rapid turnover of politicians does NOT mean better legislators nor better legislation. It does mean more powerful lobbyists.

Well, that is my sense of it anyway. dudlab and others might have a different take.
 
Democracy is respecting the office of the president even if you don't like the person who wins the election. It's not a bunch of asshats who think they know better staging a coup.

It is exactly trump's disrespect of the office of the presidency that warrants opposition. Calling this a coup is overdramatic.

PS: It's not too bright of you to post about shooting the president in a public Internet forum. The Secret Service tends to frown upon that.

this is just silly. There is no more threat in the post you responded to than there is in yours.
 
Trump Tweets

"Today, as we celebrate Hispanic Heritage Month, we share our gratitude for all the ways Hispanic-Americans make our country flourish and prosper. Today, and every day, we honor, cherish, and celebrate Hispanic-American Workers, Families, Students, Businesses, and Leaders...'
 
Pence seems unwilling to do that. Then what? They can't all quit. Someone has to do the functions of the presidency that he can't.
Why not. A en masse would be one of the most powerful statements that could be made. Plus, they would be able to dominate the news for several cycles. If done a few weeks, say, before the election, it would have to potential to ensure the massive change that is needed.
 
“There are those who say, ‘What if we get rid of him? Then we’ve got that Vice President and he’ll be worse.’ I say knock off the first one and then go after the second one.”
-- Maxine Waters (Sept 15, 2018)


"Knock off?"

As one of our fellow forum members recently remarked: "Everyone who's not a total idiot can spot a political 'dog whistle' a mile away."

You might have a point if Waters was a gun nut. She's not so you don't.
 
Trump Tweets

"Today, as we celebrate Hispanic Heritage Month, we share our gratitude for all the ways Hispanic-Americans make our country flourish and prosper. Today, and every day, we honor, cherish, and celebrate Hispanic-American Workers, Families, Students, Businesses, and Leaders...'

quick!
someone took the President's phone and is impersonating him!
 
I haven't read Woodward's book yet but I did find this post interesting reading. It's a critique of his style of writing ... well, not style, really, but overall approach to his subjects.
That's a very perceptive look at Woodward's techniques and the limits he imposes on himself. Overall it is fair, but I do wonder if Dean Falvy is expecting too much when he calls out Woodward for focusing so narrowly on Trump's relationship with his staff. But that is the story Woodward is covering - not creating what Falvy calls "the definitive account of a presidency." Still, Woodward's "first draft of history," though largely limited to Trump's White House, documents well the travails of an administration trying to find its feet in the bumpy first 2 years under a uniquely mercurial and histrionic chief executive. Woodward is a craftsman, not a visionary. There will be other books; maybe even more from Woodward. Surely he knows better than anyone that coverage of this presidency is a work in progress.
 
My biggest criticism of Woodward is that he falls into the same trap most commentators fell before the 2016 elections: in a misguided effort to be "fair and balanced" they make Trump look better than he is and his adversaries worse than they are.
 
PS: It's not too bright of you to post about shooting the president in a public Internet forum. The Secret Service tends to frown upon that.

It seems unlikely they'd be granted an extradition certificate, or allowed jurisdiction in the UK over a post on an obscure forum where I didn't threaten anybody with anything, but I appreciate the concern.
 
My biggest criticism of Woodward is that he falls into the same trap most commentators fell before the 2016 elections: in a misguided effort to be "fair and balanced" they make Trump look better than he is and his adversaries worse than they are.

How does Woodward do that? From what I heard of the book it's pretty damning.
 
I thought I explained it well enough...

- Incumbents have a natural advantage due to their name recognition (Given the number of people who get re-elected year after year)

- When an incumbent leaves, it allows more chance for a seat to change hands. This could (at least in theory) make candidates put more effort into their message and policies (instead of just "I won last time, people know my name so I don't have to try hard")

- The fact that seats can change hands makes congress more dynamic

What's so hard to understand about that?

That institutional memory is a thing and by doing this you have shifted all the expertese to unelected individuals either staff or lobyists. And the theory that if their time was limited they would stand up to someone like Trump seems untrue.
 
How does Woodward do that? From what I heard of the book it's pretty damning.

yes, but primarily Trump is portrayed as clueless instead of just a plain bad person. In contrast, his staff is calculating and deceitful.
As some guys on a Podcast I regularly listen to said: Trump is Chaotic Evil which makes the Lawful Evil people around him think they are the Good Guys.



But the voters have elected someone chaotic evil, and unless they get confronted with the results, they will do so again.
 
I haven't read Woodward's book yet but I did find this post interesting reading. It's a critique of his style of writing ... well, not style, really, but overall approach to his subjects.

It's a good piece. I can commend it.

There are some good points here especially as it relates to former administration members rehabilitating themselves. Cohn, Porter, Bannon and Priebus would all seem to fit in that category.
 
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