Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

Cosmic Yak said:
I admit to having skimmed this thread, so apologies if these points have been made before.
Firsltly, TBD, if you are stating that the human rights abuses being committed in China are the result of the government being Marxist atheist, how do you explain the freedom of religion enjoyed in Marxist atheist-ruled Vietnam? If atheism is the root and cause of this oppression, it would surely be occuring there as well. I lived in Vietnam for 18 months, and I can assure you that religious beliefs are thriving there.
Secondly, if having atheists in power results in oppression of religions, how do you explain the lack of religious persecution in Australia, New Zealand, Greece, Croatia, Belgium, the Czech Republic and France, all of which countries have had atheist heads of state in recent times?
You have dismissed the totalitarian nature of the Chinese government as a factor in the persecution of religions, and posited that atheism is the deciding factor. If this is true, then all of the countries I have cited should have had the same thing happen. Do please explain why this is not the case, as this situation would seem to fatally undermine your argument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Vietnam

https://mic.com/articles/118192/7-w...-can-have-an-atheist-president-too#.5JuRPMm4B
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I should hope religious freedom should be thriving in Vietnam, having witnessed the horrors that were perpetrated by the glorious atheist state of Cambodia and Pol Pot.

And while we are all super happy to witness the finest string of whataboutism that anyone is likely to see, it would be awesome if people could at least pretend to care about the ongoing religious human rights violations in China that are a direct product of Xi’s sinfication of religious faith in China.
 
dann said:
Cuba is an even better example. 60-65% Catholic - albeit syncretized with the African Yoruba religion into Santería, which is recognized by the Catholic Church as Catholicism, I think, but actually has very little to do with Christianity at all.
Some members of the the Cuban government are rumored to be Santeros ...
And there is no reason not to mention the religious persecution carried out by the Catholic Church against the natives in Cuba, is there? "With the Papal Bull of 1493, Pope Alexander VI commanded Spain to conquer, colonize and convert the pagans of the New World to Catholicism."

The story of chief Hatuay (Wikipedia) is particularly interesting!
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Hey everybody, what about Cuba and teh Religious Bull of 1493!

:rolleyes:
 
The Big Dog said:
State Sponsored atheism rears its ugly head again.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...d68366-b4af-11e8-ae4f-2c1439c96d79_story.html







Appalling.
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Given all the child rape the Roman Catholic Church has been caught perpetrating and covering up can you really blame them? The Roman Catholic sex abuse revelations appear to be having a fear mongering effect in China not unlike the anti-Muslim fears prevalent in the USA and parts of Europe. Just as “Muslim” is synonymous with “Terrorist” to many Christians, it looks like “Christian” is being turned into a synonym for “sexual predator” in other countries.

Is what China doing wrong? Unless they’re targeting Roman Catholic Churches and not other denominations then I’d say it’s as wrong as treating all Muslims as terrorists.

Realistically Christians need to clean house and take these sexual predators to task. The lukewarm “naughty, naughty” that typically comes across isn’t enough, especially when organizations caught enabling sexual abuse against a wide range of people are allowed to operate with impunity.
 
halleyscomet said:
Given ...

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Hey! Someone else who actually could not be bothered to actually read the actual article linked in the actual post that they actually quoted.

Holy cats, wait until our correspondent finds out that the Chinese have put a million Muslims into camps.
 
The Big Dog said:
Hey! Someone else who actually could not be bothered to actually read the actual article linked in the actual post that they actually quoted.



Holy cats, wait until our correspondent finds out that the Chinese have put a million Muslims into camps.
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The Muslim detainees are not relevant to my point about Christianity’s problem with sexual predators. There is however a major point in the article that you’re ignoring.

Chinese law requires religious believers to worship only in congregations registered with the authorities, but many millions belong to so-called underground or house churches that defy government restrictions.
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The crackdown isn’t against religion, but against religious institutions not under governmental control. Hitler did the same thing with Christians in Germany. All the denominations were unified under a single official denomination using an edited version of the Bible. Many members of the American Christian Dominion movement and its offshoots have similar ideas for eliminating “liberal” churches.

Given the Muslim terrorism PR problem and the Christian Pedophile PR problem I can’t really blame China for wanting to keep these suspicious, violent, conquest oriented, foreign religions under close scrutiny.

Have you READ some of the things Americans have been talking about doing to Muslims in the USA? Have you noticed what we’re actually DOING to Hispanic Catholics?
 
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“Really can’t blame China.”

Because of pr problems.

And that folks is all you need to know about the level of analysis we are getting now.

I do not Blame the Chinese, these guys have pr problems. Destroy their churches, raze their mosques, and Lock them up.

The compassion of iSkep atheists.
 
It's my understanding that one of the tenets of Christianity is establishing theocracy. And one of the tenets of Islam is establishing a caliphate. Whether actual churches chose or attempt to follow those ideologies is another matter, but failing to be aware of the ideology is dangerous for the non-followers who would be affected.
 
sylvan8798 said:
It's my understanding that one of the tenets of Christianity is establishing theocracy. And one of the tenets of Islam is establishing a caliphate. Whether actual churches chose or attempt to follow those ideologies is another matter, but failing to be aware of the ideology is dangerous for the non-followers who would be affected.
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Golly, except for the fact your understanding is not correct, assuming it was, well, in fact we should probably be congratualating the Chinese!

I hear tell that earlier a leader in a similar situation who thought that the Jews were looking to dominate Die Fatherland came up with a something similar, a solution, and that is what the Firm Marxist ATHEISTS in China need, a final solution.

Who can blame them?
 
The Big Dog said:
China’s pitiless war on Muslim Uighurs poses a dilemma for the west.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2...-on-muslim-uighurs-poses-dilemma-for-the-west

Them Muslims need a better public relations person, I reckon.
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Nonsense. The USA is waging its own war on Islam. China’s behavior is only a problem for parts of the west. As long as China is on board with attacking Islam at least as viciously as the USA does, the government won’t care about what China does to its OWN Christians. If anything China attacking Christians is a good thing for US Christians as it provides a fundraising rallying cry. Millions, possibly billions, have been raised by US pastors for missionary efforts in China. China lightening up on Christians in the 90’s was TERRIBLE for Christian missionary fundraising not geared towards efforts to criminalize homosexuality in Africa.
 
aleCcowaN said:
Yes, we sure gather it: Marxism has hope provided atheism remains hopeless.


Disclaimer: This thread it's not about TBD hate speech :rolleyes:
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Every thread is, disagreeing and demonstrating his numerous errors = hate speech. You gotta get yourself that new websters Cambridge edition: 'Victim mentality dictionary'.
 
halleyscomet said:
Nonsense.
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I earlier cited the fact soviet propaganda relied very heavily on whataboutism, and now we see that that apologists supporting China’s latest human rights abuses having nothing but whataboutism.

Really remarkable just how illogical the arguments have been, in fact so terrible that I am beginning to suspect that the atheists here agree with China’s latest abuses.
 
Nay_Sayer said:
Every thread is, disagreeing and demonstrating his numerous errors = hate speech. You gotta get yourself that new websters Cambridge edition: 'Victim mentality dictionary'.
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Bwhahahah! Oh man, we needed that humor break.

Nay sayer? Hi, you do know that I have not been claiming that it is hate speech, rather it has been the atheist snowflakes that have been making that preposterous and beyond hypocritical claim.

I guess the atheists have been studying the “victim mentality dictionary.”

Outstanding!
 
The Big Dog said:
“Really can’t blame China.”

Because of pr problems.

And that folks is all you need to know about the level of analysis we are getting now.

I do not Blame the Chinese, these guys have pr problems. Destroy their churches, raze their mosques, and Lock them up.

The compassion of iSkep atheists.
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Well yeah. It shows how myopic you are on this whole affair. That’s OK though. Conservative Christian fundraising in the West relies heavily upon ongoing persecution of Christians in Asia and Africa. The growing power of Christianity in Africa means the US needs a new “Look! I need your money to help people HERE!” Location, especially as so many Christians these days would be happy to just nuke the Arabs and let God sort out the Christians from the Muslims. (For example, when was the last time YOU got outraged about the treatment of the Coptic Christians in Egypt?)

And please, don’t lump me in with the Atheists. I grew up Christian and am still involved with some of the more dominion minded groups. I’m speaking from the point of view of Christians with a mind towards money and political power. With the USSR gone and no longer persecuting Christians a new bugbear is needed. China fits the bill nicely, especially as we’re too economically dependent upon them to try and crash their economy the way we did to the USSR.

China is cracking down on places of worship that didn’t bow down to government monitoring. Propagandizing that to create the illusion of a nationwide crackdown on ALL Christians will be GREAT for the bottom lines of American Missionaries. Why, I’m reminded of the fellow back in the 1980’s who raised millions to smuggle Bibles into China, managed to get two suitcases of them seized at the boarder, and made millions as a speaker after that telling his “harrowing” tale.
 
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