Cont: The Trump Presidency IX: Nein, Nein!

[Paul2]

Does Trump own a horse? Because until he appoints his horse to the senate, at least we're still ahead of the Romans.
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Low bar . . . .

 

[Paul2]

It's weird how you seem to forget who Cain is between posts.

Cain who?

/s

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Ideally you'd like to see your president show some regret that there is such a high death toll, perhaps offer some words of comfort or assurance that every effort would be made to prevent such a thing happening again.

Instead... it's democrats lying about people dying in order to make him look bad.

It's mind boggling.

What a heartless bastard.

Not long ago I was struck by a realization, one I don’t anticipate unstriking me: Donald Trump is without morals.

It was possible to figure his behavior present and past was due to differences in upbringing/education/career-path from the average person. We’ve all encountered bullies and cutthroats and liars and cheats, but deep down you knew they could, say, manage a little league team. Trump has none of it. No core, no base layer of good. Nothing.

No signal, all static. Empty.

John Barren.

 

[Belz...]

Not long ago I was struck by a realization, one I don’t anticipate unstriking me: Donald Trump is without morals.

You've been struck by the un-unstruckable.

ohn Barren.

Ooh, I like that.

 

[dudalb]

I've mentioned in other threads that one of the things that I've been the most shocked to learn as I mature is how effective of a debate strategy being completely wrong about everything is. It leaves your opponents nothing to hold on to or framework to work in to create a counter-argument. "2+2=5" or "The Sky is Red" or "Potatoes are a fruit" can all be argued against. You can only stare with confusion and horror at somebody babbling into the black about 2+Sky equaling potato.

Trump is an odd, weird real life, action based version of this. He's oddly untouchable via doing the wrong thing... about everything. It would take an hour just to sit here and list all the things he's done wrong and all them got ignored because he turned around and... did another thing wrong. I'd be tempted to call it genius if I was ready to give him that much credit.

Trump is not a little boy reminding his mother of the time he made a hand written birthday card for her when she catches him with his hand in the cookie jar. He's a little boy that pulls down his pants and craps on the rug when you catch him with his hand in the cookie jar and to be fair... you don't really feel like worrying about the cookie in this case.

And despite the humor for affect I am being mostly serious. I think the fact that it would be nigh impossible to get everyone who opposes him to agree on what exactly the worst thing Trump has done, the thing we need to address first, has worked to his advantage.

This is nothing new. Joesph Goebbels called it the Big Lie technique.

 

[alfaniner]

Anyone ever wonder how many times the rule of "1 - 2 - 3 - not it!" is employed in the White House when something serious needs to be explained to Trump? I do every day. I imagine serious news coming in and the advisers having a contest to see who has to explain a complicated matter to this simple-minded, man baby with a straight face.

I always relate it to the scene in The Force Awakens where the two stormtroopers are approaching Kylo Ren's office and they see he's having a snit fit. They look at each other, turn around, and walk the other way.

 

[dudalb]

Not long ago I was struck by a realization, one I don’t anticipate unstriking me: Donald Trump is without morals.

It was possible to figure his behavior present and past was due to differences in upbringing/education/career-path from the average person. We’ve all encountered bullies and cutthroats and liars and cheats, but deep down you knew they could, say, manage a little league team. Trump has none of it. No core, no base layer of good. Nothing.

No signal, all static. Empty.

John Barren.

All true, but it leaves the biggest question open:

What are you going to do about it?

 

[Belz...]

All true, but it leaves the biggest question open:

What are you going to do about it?

For myself: I'll complain about it on the internet and debate those who disagree.

Being not an American, there's little else I can do but vote for representatives here who won't engage in Trump's sort of nonsense.

 

[dudalb]

Many people are in the position of managing their boss, passing on the information required to get the right decision....

But the boss is not President of the United States, most powerful individual in the world.
And the point is that the Trump ofter rejects the information given if it clahes with his preconcerived notions.

 

[dudalb]

I am now convinced unless a miracle happens, this country is headed for the worst trainwreck in it's history since the Civil War. Every time somebody with the mentatlriy of Trump gets in a position of power, unless he is removed from office catastropshe follows.
I not only Hate Trump, I hate is enablers, the gutless cowards in congress who deep down know what Trump is,s but still support him because A.they hope to get legislatation and goodies they like and B.They are scared of his base;that if they criticize him they will be "primaried" and lose their cushy jobs.
Getting rid of Trump....and I am beginning to want to preface that with "by whatever means necessary"...is only the start. He enablers have to go also. Term limits, so that nobody can think of making a lifelong career of being in congress, is a good place to start.

 

[Belz...]

I am now convinced unless a miracle happens, this country is headed for the worst trainwreck in it's history since the Civil War.

Forget the country. The trainwreck is going to hit a lot of the planet, and it's carrying coal.

Getting rid of Trump....and I am beginning to want to preface that with "by whatever means necessary"...is only the start. He enablers have to go also. Term limits, so that nobody can think of making a lifelong career of being in congress, is a good place to start.

The whole system would need to be rewritten which, well, given Trump and global warming, might just happen anyway, assuming enough of us survive to do that afterward.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

I've mentioned in other threads that one of the things that I've been the most shocked to learn as I mature is how effective of a debate strategy being completely wrong about everything is. It leaves your opponents nothing to hold on to or framework to work in to create a counter-argument. "2+2=5" or "The Sky is Red" or "Potatoes are a fruit" can all be argued against. You can only stare with confusion and horror at somebody babbling into the black about 2+Sky equaling potato.

Trump is an odd, weird real life, action based version of this. He's oddly untouchable via doing the wrong thing... about everything. It would take an hour just to sit here and list all the things he's done wrong and all them got ignored because he turned around and... did another thing wrong. I'd be tempted to call it genius if I was ready to give him that much credit.

Trump is not a little boy reminding his mother of the time he made a hand written birthday card for her when she catches him with his hand in the cookie jar. He's a little boy that pulls down his pants and craps on the rug when you catch him with his hand in the cookie jar and to be fair... you don't really feel like worrying about the cookie in this case.

And despite the humor for affect I am being mostly serious. I think the fact that it would be nigh impossible to get everyone who opposes him to agree on what exactly the worst thing Trump has done, the thing we need to address first, has worked to his advantage.

It's the theory behind this sketch:

 

[LSSBB]

I am now convinced unless a miracle happens, this country is headed for the worst trainwreck in it's history since the Civil War. Every time somebody with the mentatlriy of Trump gets in a position of power, unless he is removed from office catastropshe follows.
I not only Hate Trump, I hate is enablers, the gutless cowards in congress who deep down know what Trump is,s but still support him because A.they hope to get legislatation and goodies they like and B.They are scared of his base;that if they criticize him they will be "primaried" and lose their cushy jobs.
Getting rid of Trump....and I am beginning to want to preface that with "by whatever means necessary"...is only the start. He enablers have to go also. Term limits, so that nobody can think of making a lifelong career of being in congress, is a good place to start.

Term limits is a double edged sword.

 

[Ambrosia]

Term limits is a double edged sword.

Some times it's better to light a flamethrower, than curse the darkness.

- Terry Pratchett

 

[Horatius]

Term limits is a double edged sword.

But it's still a sword.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Cain does not do evidence.
And Until recently, Cain swung pretty much to the left politically. I think his sudden reversal smells of Troll satire.

ftfy

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

He lied about several things concerning 9/11 and himself. There's a list of them in the link:

“Everyone who helped clear the rubble — and I was there, and I watched, and I helped a little bit — but I want to tell you: Those people were amazing,” Trump said. “Clearing the rubble. Trying to find additional lives. You didn’t know what was going to come down on all of us — and they handled it.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...-it-for-personal-gain/?utm_term=.07d8c23c90b8

Wow, if that's not pathological lying I don't know what is. He imagines himself in the middle of the fray but can't quite say "I helped clear rubble" because it's such a blatant lie he almost can't say it, but he does say it because that's his pathology.

 

[jimbob]

Cain does not do evidence.
And Until recently, Cain swung pretty much to the left politically. I think his sudden reversal smells of Troll.

ftfy

Indeed.

Cain's posts usually make pertinent points - every so often they're played straight, but usually it is highlighting particular lines of argument, or talking points.

It's related to but different from Ponderingturtle's approach of taking particular vile or stupid positions and taking them to their logical conclusion

 

[dudalb]

Term limits is a double edged sword.

Agreed, and I am well aware of it's downside,but I am no convinced that compared to "Congressmen and Senators for Life" it's the lesser of two evils.
You need safeguards to keep democracy from self destructing and IMHO, the power of incumbency and the tendacy of people to mechanically vote for the incumbent have reached the point where they are threanting our democracy.
If congressmen knew they would only be there for a few..four of five for the House, or 2 for the senate,terms they would be more inclined to occasinaly do what is right rather then what is popular since they can't make a lifelong career out of being congressman anyway.
And the founding fathers never intended for congress to be a lifetime position. It's clear their idea was for Joe Citizen to go to congress, serve for a few terms, and then go home. I think they would be horrified at the idea of congressmen who hand around for 20 or 30 years. I just read about one rep who has been there for 37 years. That is just too damn long.
The spectacle of Republicans in Congress afraid to defend basic American insitutions and rights out of fear that Trump's "base" would turn against them was a turning point for me when it comes to Term limits. Things can't go on the way they are. THey just can't. Only question is will we make the changes necessary in time or suffer a total collapse into chaos and have the "Cold" Civil War turn hot?

 

[Stacyhs]

Agreed, and I am well aware of it's downside,but I am no convinced that compared to "Congressmen and Senators for Life" it's the lesser of two evils.
You need safeguards to keep democracy from self destructing and IMHO, the power of incumbency and the tendacy of people to mechanically vote for the incumbent have reached the point where they are threanting our democracy.
If congressmen knew they would only be there for a few..four of five for the House, or 2 for the senate,terms they would be more inclined to occasinaly do what is right rather then what is popular since they can't make a lifelong career out of being congressman anyway.
And the founding fathers never intended for congress to be a lifetime position. It's clear their idea was for Joe Citizen to go to congress, serve for a few terms, and then go home. I think they would be horrified at the idea of congressmen who hand around for 20 or 30 years. I just read about one rep who has been there for 37 years. That is just too damn long.
The spectacle of Republicans in Congress afraid to defend basic American insitutions and rights out of fear that Trump's "base" would turn against them was a turning point for me when it comes to Term limits. Things can't go on the way they are. THey just can't. Only question is will we make the changes necessary in time or suffer a total collapse into chaos and have the "Cold" Civil War turn hot?

Agreed. Getting re-elected becomes the dominating factor.