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Cont: The Trump Presidency IX: Nein, Nein!

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Cabbage said:
But some things objectively are bunk. Looking at the percentages alone ignores that fact.
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In politics? There's a helluva lot more subjective than objective. We can offer up all the hearings and testimony but if Old Clete in Buxley Falls just don' trust that Hillary, there's not much you can do about it.

Looking at the percentages simply shows you the percentages. Are you really saying that the 92% of Dems who responded positively to a poll on Obama were "correct"? It's a popularity poll, or to be more accurate, a "which side do you support" poll. 'Cuz if those 92% are correct then the 88% GOPpers who approve of Trump have to be, also. Or are they all wrong? What' s the objective criteria for "do you like or do you not like"?
 
Armitage72 said:
I've mentioned it before, but there was a political cartoon I saw shortly after the investigation began.

Trump: Good morning.
Mueller: Ha!! It's not good!! You're lying!!
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The Great Zaganza said:
which kinda tells you all you need to know about the Cartoonist.
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Namely, a lack of understanding about perjury. The perjury trap here isn't that the FBI will trick Trump into saying something that isn't true. The trap is that Trump will tell a bald-faced lie because he can't help himself. Mueller doesn't need bait, he only needs to provide Trump with enough rope to do the job for him.
 
Minoosh said:
Only liars can be caught in perjury traps.
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Not strictly true, if you are searching for small differences in memory between multiple testimonies years apart that is a perjury trap. The key is that there is no legitimate reason question them.
 
Foolmewunz said:
In politics? There's a helluva lot more subjective than objective. We can offer up all the hearings and testimony but if Old Clete in Buxley Falls just don' trust that Hillary, there's not much you can do about it.

Looking at the percentages simply shows you the percentages. Are you really saying that the 92% of Dems who responded positively to a poll on Obama were "correct"? It's a popularity poll, or to be more accurate, a "which side do you support" poll. 'Cuz if those 92% are correct then the 88% GOPpers who approve of Trump have to be, also. Or are they all wrong? What' s the objective criteria for "do you like or do you not like"?
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I understand your point respecting politics in general, but I must continue to insist that when, for example, we compare the evidence for:

1) Trump-Russia collusion

versus

2) Obama's birth certificate is a forgery


...and see that significant percentages of D's believe the former (and R's the latter), we can't conclude partisanship based on those percentages alone.

At some point, even in politics, some things objectively are bunk
 
BrooklynBaby said:
She's proved she isn't part Indian to my satisfaction. She won't take the test because she would fail. There is no rational reason for her not to support her claim if she could. Fake news would be running front page stories on this every day if Fauxcahontas was a Republican, saying exactly the same thing I am saying.
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Sure.

Keep up that critical thinking, you’re doing great.
 
Minoosh said:
I found some references in the Mueller thread. Some back and forth, but nothing convincing.

From what I know about Mueller, he's not looking to entrap Trump. Trump can barely speak without lying, but that's not what the investigation is about.
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Amazing, isn’t it? Psychologists, anthropologists, and people who slow to a crawl on the road to gawk at auto accidents will be studying this man for decades.
 
The Presidency is going to be fascinating for everybody who doesn't have to live through it.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Shhhh! Dem leaders don't want to say 'impeach.'

"A majority of Democratic voters want President Donald Trump impeached.

"But, of course, Democratic leaders want nothing to do with this conversation, even as Trump and his allies frantically try to bait them into it.

"Each party's posture is understandable when you consider the earth-shaking upheaval that ensued the last time a full-fledged impeachment drive was launched on the eve of an election."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...s-don-t-want-say-impeach-bill-clinton-n907906 (Sept 10, 2018)
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...Duh? My statement still stands just fine and already had that taken into account. Are you not getting that your claim from Breitbart was little more than a half-assed claim that Democratic leaders have been baited into it, to borrow from how it was said in the quoted?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweeted

" We have found nothing to show collusion between President Trump & Russia, absolutely zero, but every day we get more documentation showing collusion between the FBI & DOJ, the Hillary campaign, foreign spies & Russians, incredible.”
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Is the bar changing? He's now saying no collusion between President Trump and Russia. Not what the investigation is about.
 
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