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Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

The Big Dog

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State Sponsored atheism rears its ugly head again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...d68366-b4af-11e8-ae4f-2c1439c96d79_story.html

BEIJING — China’s government is ratcheting up a crackdown on Christian congregations in Beijing and several provinces, destroying crosses, burning bibles, shutting churches and ordering followers to sign papers renouncing their faith, according to pastors and a group that monitors religion in China.

The campaign corresponds with a drive to “Sinicize” religion by demanding loyalty to the officially atheist Communist Party and eliminating any challenge to its power over people’s lives.
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Appalling.
 
Yeah, it is. But the idea that you think that this is characteristic of atheism rather than an activity of the totalitarian government of China is even more appalling.
 
arthwollipot said:
Yeah, it is. But the idea that you think that this is characteristic of atheism rather than an activity of the totalitarian government of China is even more appalling.
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Interesting. Thinking "that this is characteristic of atheism rather than an activity of the totalitarian government of China" is MORE appalling than

Fu also provided video footage of what appeared to be piles of burning bibles and forms stating that the signatories had renounced their Christian faith. He said that marked the first time since Mao’s radical 1966-1976 Cultural Revolution that Christians had been compelled to make such declarations, under pain of expulsion from school and the loss of welfare benefits.
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and

In the most extreme example, an estimated 1 million Uighurs and other members of Muslim minority groups in the country’s northwest have been arbitrarily detained in indoctrination camps where they are forced to denounce Islam and profess loyalty to the Communist Party.
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Well, I would say that perhaps the Atheists are the real victims here.... but we all know that this activity is part and parcel of the Atheist Totalitarian Government of Chine. Further, we know that this is a characteristic of Atheist totalitarian governments like China and USSR, in fact one would say it is one of their defining features.
 
Sherman Bay said:
This action has absolutely nothing to do with atheism and everything to do with state-sponsored suppression of "undesirable" ideas.
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Demanding that people sign papers and renounce their faith has nothing to do with Atheism?

Huh.
 
The Big Dog said:
Well, I would say that perhaps the Atheists are the real victims here.... but we all know that this activity is part and parcel of the Atheist Totalitarian Government of Chine. Further, we know that this is a characteristic of Atheist totalitarian governments like China and USSR, in fact one would say it is one of their defining features.
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Careful, your bias is showing. We've gone over this before. First, totalitarian governments crack down on everything, not just religion, and second, they do it for political reasons and not in the name of atheism.

Why am I even bothering to engage here? I know exactly how it's going to turn out.
 
arthwollipot said:
Careful, your bias is showing. We've gone over this before. First, totalitarian governments crack down on everything, not just religion, and second, they do it for political reasons and not in the name of atheism.

Why am I even bothering to engage here? I know exactly how it's going to turn out.
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My bias? I am simply quoting the article and your post where you said that Thinking "that this is characteristic of atheism rather than an activity of the totalitarian government of China" is MORE appalling than destroying the Churches and interning a million people.

And doing it in the name of Atheism.
 
The Big Dog said:
State Sponsored atheism rears its ugly head again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...d68366-b4af-11e8-ae4f-2c1439c96d79_story.html



Appalling.
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arthwollipot said:
Yeah, it is. But the idea that you think that this is characteristic of atheism rather than an activity of the totalitarian government of China is even more appalling.
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Right on the mark arth. Boy that article doesn't even have the word "atheist" in it, but to The Big Dog with his blinkered vision it is atheism front and centre.
 
Thor 2 said:
Right on the mark arth. Boy that article doesn't even have the word "atheist" in it, but to The Big Dog with his blinkered vision it is atheism front and centre.
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From the linked article

"The campaign corresponds with a drive to “Sinicize” religion by demanding loyalty to the officially atheist Communist Party and eliminating any challenge to its power over people’s lives."

But I have "blinkered vision."

Interesting
 
I'm not surprised that Trump's friend President Xi Jinping is doing all this. Maybe he's doing this because Christians rape children.
 
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The Big Dog said:
From the linked article

"The campaign corresponds with a drive to “Sinicize” religion by demanding loyalty to the officially atheist Communist Party and eliminating any challenge to its power over people’s lives."

But I have "blinkered vision."

Interesting
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You do. You can't tell the difference between a totalitarian government with an official position of atheism cracking down on dissention for political reasons and them doing it because atheism demands it.

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thaiboxerken said:
I'm not surprised that Trump's friend President Xi Jinping is doing all this. Maybe he's doing this because Christians rape children.
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You think that they are putting a million Muslims in re-education camps because of that?

Actually that speculation is of course frivolous, because the article I posted makes clear it is part and parcel with the officially atheist policy.
 
Sherman Bay said:
Show me where the Chinese govmt says that a lack of belief in god requires burning crosses and destroying bibles. Or destroying crosses and burning bibles. Or vice-versa.
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I did, it is in the linked article. Not only that it requires the faithful to renounce their religion and they have interned a million Muslims.

Is the link not working?
 
Look, TBD, we get it. We understand that you view the existence of atheism as a personal attack on you and your worldview, and on the God you say you worship and revere. It's not. The cited incidents are an attack on innocent people by a totalitarian government, not an attack on Christians by atheists.

Are you worried that we scary atheists are going to completely wipe out your church and kill your god? Not going to happen. You can't claim to be a persecuted minority when you're in a majority across the world. We should be more worried about you. After all, there are many, many more documented examples of religious people attacking and forcefully converting people to their religion than there are of atheists forcibly deconverting the religious.

We should be more scared of you than you are of us.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Again, this will be ignored, but anyway...

Your own quote says:Can you explain what that quoted word means? Because that's the driving force, not atheism.

ETA: Stuff it, here you are: https://www.google.com/search?q=sinicize&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b
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Yes, I am well aware of what it means. It would appear that a driving force of the officially atheist state is to force people to become atheists.

As noted above, it is a defining characteristic of such atheists states. Atheist state and pogroms go hand in hand, take a look at the USSR and gozathiesm.
 
arthwollipot said:
Look, TBD, we get it. We understand that you view the existence of atheism as a personal attack on you and your worldview, and on the God you say you worship and revere. It's not. The cited incidents are an attack on innocent people by a totalitarian government, not an attack on Christians by atheists.

Are you worried that we scary atheists are going to completely wipe out your church and kill your god? Not going to happen. You can't claim to be a persecuted minority when you're in a majority across the world. We should be more worried about you. After all, there are many, many more documented examples of religious people attacking and forcefully converting people to their religion than there are of atheists forcibly deconverting the religious.

We should be more scared of you than you are of us.
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Oh it’s an attack by atheists on not just Christians, but Muslims too. And while I appreciate a good whataboutism, since the beginning of the 20th century the overwhelming number of pogroms have been by atheist states like China and the USSR. Indeed some would say that Atheists have industrialized it.
 
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