Trump and NFL boycott

Dr. Keith said:
That is sort of the point.

Do you think he will make more or less money than the starting quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys this year?
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The point of:

"I hope this is the beginning of Kap being one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL"

is that he is not "one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL."

Huh. Well argued.
 
The Big Dog said:
Wait, you are posting fake Obama tweets now?

WOW
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wow? it is a joke meme, I did not check if it was more than humor since trump attacks the NFL and others in his fits of TDS tweeting - kind of a salute to hockey fans - trump unknowingly produces humor due to his lack of character - don't trump followers like hockey

this is a "fake" trump meme

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OOPS, not fake, the truth - as trump says, he calls it a witch hunt. Defining the "best people" as witches, the hunt is finding a lot of witches. Oh my
 
The Big Dog said:
The point of:

"I hope this is the beginning of Kap being one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL"

is that he is not "one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL."

Huh. Well argued.
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Yes, that was a complex thought. I should have laid it out a bit more carefully so that it would be easier to follow.

My point was similar to that made by theprestige in that by moving from "NFL quarterback" to "former NFL quarterback celebrity activist" he will actually be making more money than many NFL quarterbacks.

Hence on any official list of NFL quarterback pay he won't actually be listed because he doesn't have that job. But my hope expressed above is that his earnings this year banking on his celebrity status will be more than many who actually are on that list. Even though he is not on that list. That by being shunned by the NFL he is actually making more money than if he worked for the NFL.

Just like the highest paid employee at my local Wendy's last year was the guy who got burned in that fryer incident.

You see, he didn't actually get paid a very high salary or hourly rate. He received monetary compensation from the franchise owner for the injuries he suffered as an employee, but only after he was no longer an employee. So on any disclosure of salaries for employees of the franchise he would likely no longer appear since he is no longer an employee. But if you were to take that list and then compare that guy's take last year to those who were employed, he likely got more than all of them.

Or maybe you are familiar with the idea that California's economy is ranked fifth among countries in the world.

You see, California is not actually a country it is a state in the United States of America. So, on any official list of countries ranked by economic size it would not be listed. But if one were presented with such a list of countries ranked by the sizes of their economy and then held up California's economy for comparison, California would fit in neatly just below Germany. Some find it an interesting comparison even though California is not actually a country.

When you stop to think about things in this context it can be interesting. Even if it is comparing apples and oranges to some degree.
 
acbytesla said:
No way can you judge the power of the marketing campaign just yet.
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Didn't stop you and others from doing exactly that, in the posts I quoted.

I could be wrong.
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Is that a walkback?

But my bet is that it will be successful or have a negligible effect.
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Successful or negligible? Less than a day ago, you seemed to think it would be an unequivocal success. Yeah, I think that's a walkback.

Meanwhile, the actual market data shows a negative impact. So I would agree with you on one point, at least: You could be wrong.
 
The Big Dog said:
Well, Nike had him signed up since 2011, and did not use him since 2016.

So, make sure y'all run out and buy Nike stuff, so courageous.
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The problem is the Patriots all wear Nike and I hate Tom Brady and the Patriots. Being a snowflake is so confusing.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Pretty smart move. Probably getting paid more than he would as a second stringer.
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Oh, absolutely it was a smart move.

It's funny, though: I've run across people who have the causality reversed, and think the NFL got rid of him because of his activism. But actually it was the other way around. He took up activism once the NFL stopped valuing him so much as a quarterback.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Yes, that was a complex thought. I should have laid it out a bit more carefully so that it would be easier to follow.

My point was similar to that made by theprestige in that by moving from "NFL quarterback" to "former NFL quarterback celebrity activist" he will actually be making more money than many NFL quarterbacks.

Hence on any official list of NFL quarterback pay he won't actually be listed because he doesn't have that job. But my hope expressed above is that his earnings this year banking on his celebrity status will be more than many who actually are on that list. Even though he is not on that list. That by being shunned by the NFL he is actually making more money than if he worked for the NFL.

Just like the highest paid employee at my local Wendy's last year was the guy who got burned in that fryer incident.

You see, he didn't actually get paid a very high salary or hourly rate. He received monetary compensation from the franchise owner for the injuries he suffered as an employee, but only after he was no longer an employee. So on any disclosure of salaries for employees of the franchise he would likely no longer appear since he is no longer an employee. But if you were to take that list and then compare that guy's take last year to those who were employed, he likely got more than all of them.

Or maybe you are familiar with the idea that California's economy is ranked fifth among countries in the world.

You see, California is not actually a country it is a state in the United States of America. So, on any official list of countries ranked by economic size it would not be listed. But if one were presented with such a list of countries ranked by the sizes of their economy and then held up California's economy for comparison, California would fit in neatly just below Germany. Some find it an interesting comparison even though California is not actually a country.

When you stop to think about things in this context it can be interesting. Even if it is comparing apples and oranges to some degree.
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Golly! Think how many words you could have saved had you just typed the following instead:

"Oops, I meant to type: "I hope this is the beginning of Kap being being paid as much as one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL."

It is cool, you posted that it was a "complex thought," when, no it wasn't, not at all.

particularly when Blake Bortles, QB, Jaguars is making $17,483,500, with $26.5 million guaranteed.

Ahh, but "Kap" is getting those Nike dollars, and not the 7 bucks a day they pay kids to sew their shoes money!

Yeah kap, total sell out.
 
theprestige said:
Didn't stop you and others from doing exactly that, in the posts I quoted.
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So? I expressed an opinion based on Nike's history as a very successful marketer. And there is nothing per se wrong with the data you post. I just question how valuable it is at this moment.

theprestige said:
Is that a walkback?
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No, it's simply an acknowledgement that I sometimes get it wrong.

theprestige said:
Successful or negligible? Less than a day ago, you seemed to think it would be an unequivocal success. Yeah, I think that's a walkback.

Meanwhile, the actual market data shows a negative impact. So I would agree with you on one point, at least: You could be wrong.
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Yes, I could be wrong Hopefully not. I bought 200 shares this morning at $80.20.
 
theprestige said:
Oh, absolutely it was a smart move.

It's funny, though: I've run across people who have the causality reversed, and think the NFL got rid of him because of his activism. But actually it was the other way around. He took up activism once the NFL stopped valuing him so much as a quarterback.
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His value was certainly beyond its peak, but I think if he had stayed on his feet for the anthem he would still be on someone's roster. The NFL owners simply didn't value him enough to deal with any politics that came along with his arm.
 
Dr. Keith said:
His value was certainly beyond its peak, but I think if he had stayed on his feet for the anthem he would still be on someone's roster. The NFL owners simply didn't value him enough to deal with any politics that came along with his arm.
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He's 1 year older than Russell Wilson. He's 30. Brady is 41. Kap hasn't been ravaged by injury either. This is a Super Bowl quarterback. The idea that he's beyond his peak seems crazy to me.

Now, I think it is fair to say he's not the prototypical drop back quarterback and a lot of teams don't like that he takes off running too early and isn't the best at making the reads, but I don't believe his athletic ability has really diminished. Although the year off can't be a positive.
 
acbytesla said:
He's 1 year older than Russell Wilson. He's 30. Brady is 41. Kap hasn't been ravaged by injury either. This is a Super Bowl quarterback. The idea that he's beyond his peak seems crazy to me.
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I was basing that on how the 49ers were treating him before the protest. I'm not an NFL scout.
 
The Big Dog said:
Well, I certainly agree that my post could have been shorter had I just posted :rolleyes: when I got to the part where it was claimed it was a "complex thought" I knew y'all could benefit by my laying it in detail.
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Lay it in detail if you think that helps. Just be sure to get consent.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Lay it in detail if you think that helps. Just be sure to get consent.
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TBD: "Oops, I meant laying it out in detail."

Other posters: "Yes, that was a complex thought. I should have laid it out a bit more carefully so that it would be easier to follow. You see i was rendering an homage to the great Welsh poet Sir Tjhbfdokjhdskjhb's Epic Work "laying the fields of arantha [600 words deleted here]"
 
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