Cont: The Trump Presidency IX: Nein, Nein!

[Sherkeu]

I've never seen such narcissism on blatant display as in that interview. The man truly believes the economy is all due to him and has nothing to do with the fact it's been on a steady climb since 2009-2010 as has employment.

I'm sure we'll see attacks on Woodward's credibility from the Tweeter in Chief.

It's true that all the trends that started under Obama continued. The charts make that pretty clear.

But Trump remembers the naysayers. He is good at grudge-holding. The best grudgy grudger ever!
Most of the economic predictions before he was elected had a 'gloom and doom' forecast for his presidency. (Look back at Moody's, Cato, citibank, Oxford, etc...). The US was supposed to lose millions of jobs, have slower growth, and slide into a recession by now. A global catastrophe was surely coming.

So in that way, he beat expectations by a mile. Of course, he couldn't implement all the policies he said he would, like deporting all the illegals, which would have caused a big dent.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

OK, devil's advocate. Reading between the lines, I think Trump didn't want to talk to Bob Woodward told KC and others and the back and forth about it on the tape is just a bit of smoke and mirrors to save face.

That was my reading of it too. That's pretty cowardly for the office of president (the buck stops here!), but I didn't get a "out of the loop" vibe from it.

I'm guessing Woodward might have more examples in his book if this is the conclusion he came to.

 

[Bob001]

call it a Coup d'état then.

Interestingly, that's what the Russians said Trump was elected.

In his weekly Sunday TV show, the Kremlin's top spin doctor warned that President-elect Donald Trump is facing a “coup d'etat” in the United States as the electoral college gathers to formalize the result of the U.S. presidential election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ns-chief-propagandist/?utm_term=.0461c2aea11f

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Interestingly, that's what the Russians said Trump was elected.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ns-chief-propagandist/?utm_term=.0461c2aea11f

and they would have been wrong: it would have been within the constitutional rights of the Electoral College to make Clinton President.

 

[CapelDodger]

I've never seen such narcissism on blatant display as in that interview. The man truly believes the economy is all due to him and has nothing to do with the fact it's been on a steady climb since 2009-2010 as has employment.

Also, far from falling, Western European defence spending has been increasing in recent years with an eye to Russia's friskiness.

I'm sure we'll see attacks on Woodward's credibility from the Tweeter in Chief.

I think he bad-mouthed Woodward quite recently.

 

[BobTheCoward]

The obvious response is that they didn't know him as well then as now. They didn't know how he would perform the duties of his office. And they didn't know that he was elected with the assistance -- to what degree we may never know -- with the assistance of a foreign power.

And the language of the amendment just says "is" incapacitated, not "becomes incapicitated after being elected."

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxv

He has performed the duties of the office. That you don't like how he performs them is not a 25th amendment argument.

 

[acbytesla]

He has performed the duties of the office. That you don't like how he performs them is not a 25th amendment argument.

Really? Doesn't seem that way to me.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Really? Doesn't seem that way to me.

Unlike my job, a certain level of quality isn't listed as a presidential duty. The duties of president are exceptionally small. He has to give the state of the union and a couple other things.

 

[Molinaro]

I think he bad-mouthed Woodward quite recently.

I think Republican supporters should take the words of someone they trust to heart when deciding the trustworthiness of Bob Woodward.

From the Aug 14th interview:

"It's really too bad, because nobody told me about it," Trump said. "You know I'm very open to you. I think you've always been fair."

 

[BobTheCoward]

Unlike my job, a certain level of quality isn't listed as a presidential duty. The duties of president are exceptionally small. He has to give the state of the union and a couple other things.

He has to serve as commander of chief.
Doesn't say "well".

Carry our legislation. That is happening. Also doesn't say well.

Set foreign policy. Check

Present state of the union. Check

 

[Sideroxylon]

He has to serve as commander of chief.
Doesn't say "well".

Carry our legislation. That is happening. Also doesn't say well.

Set foreign policy. Check

Present state of the union. Check

That is a low bar for greatness.

 

[Stacyhs]

OK, devil's advocate. Reading between the lines, I think Trump didn't want to talk to Bob Woodward told KC and others and the back and forth about it on the tape is just a bit of smoke and mirrors to save face.

This is also what I inferred. This was all about Trump trying to test the waters with Woodward.The constant bragging about what a good job he was doing was nothing but trying to get in some preemptive pats on the back for himself. Claiming he didn't know Woodward wanted to speak to him was just another lie. He had to walk that back when Woodward mentioned Lindsey Graham. This book is going to be taken much more seriously than Fire and Fury due to Woodward's status and respect as a journalist. Of course, none of this will matter to True Trumpists. It will all be "fake" according to them because they couldn't possibly have been taken in by Dear Leader; they'd have to admit they were pretty damn stupid to support the idiot. They just can't do that.

 

[BobTheCoward]

That is a low bar for greatness.

The bar isn't greatness. It is simply ability to discharge.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

...

[qimg]http://www.beachy1.com/image/trump%20genius%20j.jpg[/qimg]

That's one of the funniest Memes I've seen in a while.

 

[Cabbage]

I think Republican supporters should take the words of someone they trust to heart when deciding the trustworthiness of Bob Woodward.

From the Aug 14th interview:

There's also this:

Only the Obama WH can get away with attacking Bob Woodward.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/307582196196188160

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Transcript and 11-minute audio recording, of Wooodward's phone conversation with Trump

Halfway through and the whole conversation has been about how Trump didn't know Woodward was trying to interview Trump.

I also don't believe Trump didn't know about Woodward's request.

Now Trump is plugging his greatness, trying to dismiss any negatives.

Now he's back to the whole didn't know Woodward was looking for a meeting. Now Kellyanne is on, saying I turned the request over to "the people here."

Trump suggests because there was no meeting the book won't be accurate.

Back to Trump's greatness.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

.... Meanwhile, his aides and colleagues won't even tell Trump that Woodward is writing a book and wants to speak with him!

Or they did tell him.

 

[Bob001]

Unlike my job, a certain level of quality isn't listed as a presidential duty. The duties of president are exceptionally small. He has to give the state of the union and a couple other things.

His Constitutional obligation is to defend the Constitution and faithfully execute the laws. His attacks on the Justice Dept. alone are breaches of that duty.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

No Kellyanne has no way of letting Trump know someone wants to interview him because she follows protocol, it's not like she just could walks in on Trump having a telephone conversation [all the time].

The irony is Kellyanne walks in on Trump, apparently unannounced, during his conversation with Woodward.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

You mustn't use that word - it triggers Trumpettes who think it's unethical to point out that he is so abnormal that laypeople can spot something is seriously wrong.