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Cont: The Trump Presidency IX: Nein, Nein!

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The Great Zaganza said:
The audio of Woodward-Trump tells you all you need to know: skip the book.
Trump is effectively a puppet president who only gets the intel that his handlers think he can manage without doing something totally stupid. And the way Kellyanne talks, it seems that it is Kelly who decides what the president gets told and who he gets to see.
Trumpsters must be so proud.
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No Kellyanne has no way of letting Trump know someone wants to interview him because she follows protocol, it's not like she just could walk in on Trump having a telephone conversation.
 
Darat said:
And how he can remain so ignorant, look at how he still thinks NATO is funded, that is now pathological ignorance.
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You mustn't use that word - it triggers Trumpettes who think it's unethical to point out that he is so abnormal that laypeople can spot something is seriously wrong.
 
SezMe said:
Here's a comment from a reader of that article:
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Are you endorsing that quote? Or offering an example of the deep delusional thinking that afflicts the Trumpers? The economy has continued on an upward ark launched by Pres. Obama after he saved the national and global economy from imminent collapse. Trump's primary economic accomplishment has been a tax bill that cuts taxes on the wealthiest Americans and adds a trillion+ dollars to the deficit. Its immediate effect is that large corporations have used their tax savings to buy back their own stocks, increasing stock values but not expanding productivity or creating new jobs. Millions of people have lost or are in danger of losing the health insurance that the ACA made available to them. Trump's tariffs, based on no rational economic theory, have disrupted international trade, threatened the jobs of millions of Americans, and will result in price increases on mass market goods. And that's before you get to the border outrages, like separating parents and children.

But any Republican president would have supported lower taxes and less regulation. Trump's contempt for the rule of law, for his own officials, for basic principles of government, and even for the idea of facts themselves, are unique, and they endanger us all.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The audio of Woodward-Trump tells you all you need to know: skip the book.
Trump is effectively a puppet president who only gets the intel that his handlers think he can manage without doing something totally stupid. And the way Kellyanne talks, it seems that it is Kelly who decides what the president gets told and who he gets to see.
Trumpsters must be so proud.
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If that's true it's because Trump himself has elected not to read newspapers, watch non-Fox TV news, or talk to people who might tell him what he needs to know.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The audio of Woodward-Trump tells you all you need to know: skip the book.
Trump is effectively a puppet president who only gets the intel that his handlers think he can manage without doing something totally stupid. And the way Kellyanne talks, it seems that it is Kelly who decides what the president gets told and who he gets to see.
Trumpsters must be so proud.
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This springs immediately to mind

 
beachnut said:
The "stable genius" has spoken tweeted.

[qimg]http://www.beachy1.com/image/trump%20vs%20thomas%20jefferson%20free%20press.jpg[/qimg]

"Trump is smart, possibly brilliant", so say his cult members, and their new trump directed dictionary entry:
Free Press = Enemy of the People

who is dumb enough to act on that? right, trump supporters

[qimg]http://www.beachy1.com/image/trump%20if%20you%20could%20reason%20with.jpg[/qimg]

don't need a birther to have sound policy
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3rd Degree Chess, Beachy! That's where you make a move, he gets pissed, upends the Chess board, whips out his Benzomatic™ with MAPP Gas™ (the best gas) and lights everything on fire.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The audio of Woodward-Trump tells you all you need to know: skip the book.
Trump is effectively a puppet president who only gets the intel that his handlers think he can manage without doing something totally stupid. And the way Kellyanne talks, it seems that it is Kelly who decides what the president gets told and who he gets to see.
Trumpsters must be so proud.
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That might actually be for the best.
 
I've never seen such narcissism on blatant display as in that interview. The man truly believes the economy is all due to him and has nothing to do with the fact it's been on a steady climb since 2009-2010 as has employment.

I'm sure we'll see attacks on Woodward's credibility from the Tweeter in Chief.
 
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Belz... said:
That might actually be for the best.
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Not at all:

either John Kelly is basically usurping Trump's power - which would be tantamount to treason
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Trump is simply incapable of handling even the basics of being President, which would mean that he would need to be removed under the 25th amendment

In either case, we have no working chain of command here.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Not at all:

either John Kelly is basically usurping Trump's power - which would be tantamount to treason
- or -
Trump is simply incapable of handling even the basics of being President, which would mean that he would need to be removed under the 25th amendment

In either case, we have no working chain of command here.
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The problem with the 25th amendment is that Trump hasn't become incapacitated while in office. He is exactly the same man that people voted for. To utilize the 25th amendment would be basically saying that the voters chose someone unable to fulfill the duties of the presidency. The elites would be overruling the will of the electorate to have an incompetent as president.

Not that I am saying that isn't exactly what happened. But we must acknowledge that is politically difficult for the R's to admit.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
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either John Kelly is basically usurping Trump's power - which would be tantamount to treason
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Let's not throw the T-word around casually. Treason has a precise legal and Constitutional definition. Keeping your boss out of trouble and protecting the nation from a lunatic at the same time doesn't quite qualify.
 
Bob001 said:
Let's not throw the T-word around casually. Treason has a precise legal and Constitutional definition. Keeping your boss out of trouble and protecting the nation from a lunatic at the same time doesn't quite qualify.
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call it a Coup d'état then.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
The problem with the 25th amendment is that Trump hasn't become incapacitated while in office. He is exactly the same man that people voted for. To utilize the 25th amendment would be basically saying that the voters chose someone unable to fulfill the duties of the presidency. The elites would be overruling the will of the electorate to have an incompetent as president.

Not that I am saying that isn't exactly what happened. But we must acknowledge that is politically difficult for the R's to admit.
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The obvious response is that they didn't know him as well then as now. They didn't know how he would perform the duties of his office. And they didn't know that he was elected with the assistance -- to what degree we may never know -- with the assistance of a foreign power.

And the language of the amendment just says "is" incapacitated, not "becomes incapicitated after being elected."
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
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https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxv
 
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Bob001 said:
The obvious response is that they didn't know him as well then as now. They didn't know how he would perform the duties of his office. And they didn't know that he was elected with the assistance -- to what degree we may never know -- with the assistance of a foreign power.

And the language of the amendment just says "is" incapacitated, not "becomes incapicitated after being elected."

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxv
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The political problem remains. Many people who didn't vote for Trump (myself included) came to the conclusion that he was patently unqualified for the office, for multiple reasons.

For some people who voted for him, his lack to temperament, judgement, or understanding of the office are virtues, not flaws.

The 25th amendment solution would likely be a disastrous crisis if it were hotly contested by the sitting president. Like trying to take away your stubborn grandpa's car keys, but on a national scale.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
The audio of Woodward-Trump tells you all you need to know: skip the book.
Trump is effectively a puppet president who only gets the intel that his handlers think he can manage without doing something totally stupid. And the way Kellyanne talks, it seems that it is Kelly who decides what the president gets told and who he gets to see.
Trumpsters must be so proud.
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OK, devil's advocate. Reading between the lines, I think Trump didn't want to talk to Bob Woodward told KC and others and the back and forth about it on the tape is just a bit of smoke and mirrors to save face.
 
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