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Cont: The Trump Presidency IX: Nein, Nein!

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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

"Over 90% approval rating for your all time favorite (I hope) President within the Republican Party and 52% overall. This despite all of the made up stories by the Fake News Media trying endlessly to make me look as bad and evil as possible. Look at the real villains please!"
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That "(I hope)" in there has the vibe of a 2nd-grader passing a note that says "Do you like me? YES NO - circle one."
 
ponderingturtle said:
Please, they wanted freedom to practice their religion, that always included persecuting others. Like how being a catholic was illegal in the Massachusetts bay colony despite it being set up for "Religious Freedom".
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The flavor of Puritans who settled the Massachusetts Bay Colony were never interested in religious freedom. Quite the opposite. They left England specifically because they couldn't convince people to conform to their particular beliefs about worship, and were unwilling to stay where they had to deal with people who wouldn't. They weren't being persecuted in England. They just left in a snit because no one would pay attention to them.

It wasn't until around 1800 well after the constitution that they legalized catholic clergy in the state. Before that being caught being a priest enough times was a hanging offense.
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They hung people just for being Quakers. No need to be Catholic, or a priest.

The Providence Plantation (which became Rhode Island) was founded by Roger Williams, a Puritan minister who was banned and hounded from Massachusetts for spreading "new and dangerous ideas", which included things like religious freedom and the separation of church and state.

A few years before that the Province of Maryland was chartered specifically to provide a refuge for Catholics who actually were routinely persecuted in England. They were the second colony (after the Providence Plantation) to enshrine religious tolerance into law. (Although theirs was restricted to Trinitarian Christians.)

But you're right, it took a century and a half, a Revolutionary War, and a Constitution which mandated religious freedom before Massachusetts and its flavor of Puritans got with the program.
 
dudalb said:
Trump briefly lowered the flag to half staff for McCain at the White House then quickly sent it up again. What a totally contemptable human being.
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It is nice that our local conservative poster is keeping their flag at half mast out of respect for the Senator.
 
dudalb said:
Trump briefly lowered the flag to half staff for McCain at the White House then quickly sent it up again. What a totally contemptable human being.
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And has lowered it again.

Even to his base, won't that look like him being a loser?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Oh for pity's sake. What's with the alt-right's obsession that liberals are going to become Muslims? :rolleyes:
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I should rephrase it as endorsing rather than pledging allegiance, but my point is radical leftists tend to cosign anti-American BS just because it sounds good and the rhetoric of NoI and 9/11 Truth, Russia Today tend to attract these extremists.

We really don't have such people in office in the Democratic Party or among the new progressive candidates. Nobody mirroring Donald Trump or the Tea Party, so I thought that was rather alarmist.
 
The not-NAFTA NAFTA announcement was so strange.

Peña Nieto appeared to be sending a signal to the Canadians during the conference call with Trump, Anstett said, by constantly referring to “NAFTA” even as Trump tried to rename the deal.

In saying he was scrapping NAFTA, Trump “completely ad-libbed,” believes Jorge Guajardo, a former Mexican ambassador to China who advises companies on Latin America and China issues from Washington. Mexican officials on the Oval Office phone call with Trump “were not on board with this,” he said, and were caught by surprise.

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An earlier sticking point in renegotiating NAFTA was the US’s insistence that 50% of the content of cars sold in the US be made in the US, Anstett said. The USTR statement issued today says instead that “40-45 percent of auto content be made by workers earning at least $16 per hour.”

Mexico’s hourly average factory wage are less than $3 per hour, while Canada’s are around C$25 (US$ 19.28) so that shift is likely to restrict Mexican imports to the US, not Canada’s.

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One of the biggest sticking points between the US and Canada in earlier negotiations was the Trump administration’s insistence that any agreement end after five years, and be negotiated all over again. Canadian officials balked, because it would make it harder for companies to plan their investments in factories and other facilities.

The new agreement would Mexico would last for 16 years, a senior administration official told reporters after the press conference, but be up for review in six years, with an eye to another 16-year term.
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Linky.

It looks like we are getting a minimum wage increase for Mexican workers, and Trump gets to say he scrapped NAFTA?
 
Slings and Arrows said:
"The S&P 500 and the Nasdaq rallied to record highs on Monday, with the Nasdaq breaking above the 8,000 level for the first time, as investors were encouraged by news that the United States and Mexico reached a trade agreement."
-- Reuters (Aug 27, 2018)


"In the event Donald Trump wins the presidency, I have no doubt in my mind that the market tanks."
-- Mark Cuban (Sept 6, 2016)
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Cuban underestimated the Obama recovery.
 
Venom said:
Progressives? :rolleyes: Most right wingers have great contempt for a lot of the social justice stuff progressives push. That's often the basis for which the left as a whole gets caricatured. That's not the fault of progressives.

Today's establishment Dems are usually the ones who sneer at the middle class (Clinton's "deplorables" remark) and try to keep the conversation on incrementalism rather than bolder proposals which could help those blue collar people more.
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Can't do that 'cause that's socialism eeww.. I felt dirty even typing the word.



Paul2 said:
Sure, anything can happen, but it took the Republicans 40+ years to get to the point of trump, so the Dems have a way to go, given their last President.

And, we shouldn't conflate and extreme policy position with anti-democratic tendencies.
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Everything that's happened so far since even before tRump's reign is anti-democratic.
 
Armitage72 said:
Not to mention Michelle Obama's head on a gorilla's body.
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I think that is Elizabeth Warren. Clinton is just below Dump's lantern apparently drowning. Who is that next to Obama?

ETA: On second look, I think it's supposed to be Bill Clinton with his nose/face reddened up so he looks more like a drunk. Nice. :rolleyes:
 
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Upchurch said:
I keep wondering how Republicans will treat him once he’s out of office. I imagine it’ll be like seeing that one person you really regret dating for way too long.

“Ugh. There’s Trump. Just don’t make eye contact and maybe we can pretend we didn’t see him. No. Oh, no. He’s coming this way. Okay, be polite and find an excuse to get out of here as quickly as possible.”
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The way they treat W serves as a template. You never hear of him from any of the GOP poobahs. They skip over him and swoon over Ronnie.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
“He's the President of the United States. You have to respect the office. No matter who is in the office, you may like, dislike personality or the politics, but we all must respect the office,” Woods said during a news conference just after the final round of the US PGA Northern Trust tournament.
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Too bad conservatives couldn't remember that idea from 2008-16. Funny how that works, eh?
 
Slings and Arrows said:
"The S&P 500 and the Nasdaq rallied to record highs on Monday, with the Nasdaq breaking above the 8,000 level for the first time, as investors were encouraged by news that the United States and Mexico reached a trade agreement."
-- Reuters (Aug 27, 2018)


"In the event Donald Trump wins the presidency, I have no doubt in my mind that the market tanks."
-- Mark Cuban (Sept 6, 2016)
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In the event Slings and Arrows posts, he only quotes someone else so we never get to hear an argument for or against some position and thus no fruitful, or even interesting discussion can ensue. SAD!!
 
SezMe said:
The way they treat W serves as a template. You never hear of him from any of the GOP poobahs. They skip over him and swoon over Ronnie.
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That is interesting. For whatever reason my son told me today that Reagan was most like Trump in terms of propaganda believers. It was like my son didn't remember the whole W-lied-us-into-war travesty. I reminded him.

(My son is a liberal, BTW.)

Looking back at all the lying POTUSes, only Carter has a clean slate and Obama wasn't as bad as the rest. Clinton is next for actually having a conscience. (I don't deny he has a big black mark for sexual abuse of women.)

There's all our interventions destroying every burgeoning democracy that threatened to nationalize natural resources going back more than a century, all the while lying about it to the American public.

What I told my son the difference was between Trump and the others: Trump is blatantly for Trump and Trump only, he brought a whole criminal enterprise into the White House. Unabashed corruption rather than just the usual enrichment like Cheney via Haliburton.

Sorry, I got a bit off track there.
 
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quadraginta said:
But you're right, it took a century and a half, a Revolutionary War, and a Constitution which mandated religious freedom before Massachusetts and its flavor of Puritans got with the program.
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But the constitution didn't require them to let in other religions until 1865.
 
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