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Cont: The Trump Presidency IX: Nein, Nein!

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Part of the 40%ers are, I believe, basically Monarchists who consider the President to be above the Law and deserving of any "perks" he can get - provided he is a Republican.
The fact that Trump holds the office is an uncomfortable truth.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Part of the 40%ers are, I believe, basically Monarchists who consider the President to be above the Law and deserving of any "perks" he can get - provided he is a Republican.
The fact that Trump holds the office is an uncomfortable truth.
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That's the rub. The UK got rid of most of our monarch's actual (as opposed to theoretical) powers. The US decided to have temporary elected monarchs.
 
dudalb said:
But I see the same thing starting to grow in the Democratic party. They seem to have formed their own version of the Tea Party of Hard Line ideologues,and I see quite a bit of pure tribalism on this thread from some "Progressives".
No, the Democrats are not as bad as the GOP, but they could very easily become so.
I alos think you are lumping all Trump voters togethere ,which is a mistake.
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Tea Party conservatives can be described and named, have gotten elected and are growing in committee influence, have pushed through platform changes, have arm-twisted procedural changes that turned their primaries into clown cars of lunatics (which Trump used to great effect), have massive superPACs backing them, etc.

While I agree that could happen to the DNC, left wing hard liners are nowhere near Tea Party influence in terms of actual power.

You can find people pushing a "far" left position, but you can't really find much "far" left policy movement within the party apparatus.
 
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Yeah, but you aren't a black man trying to revive a golf career. I give Tiger credit for staying out of the ditch on that one.
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Yea he needs to regain his ability to sell products and alienating 40% of the country more than he does as a black man already isn't going to help him move product.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Tea Party conservatives can be described and named, have gotten elected and are growing in committee influence, have pushed through platform changes, have arm-twisted procedural changes that turned their primaries into clown cars of lunatics (which Trump used to great effect), have massive superPACs backing them, etc.

While I agree that could happen to the DNC, left wing hard liners are nowhere near Tea Party influence in terms of actual power.

You can find people pushing a "far" left position, but you can't really find much "far" left policy movement within the party apparatus.
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Unless you except that the far left now is to the right of Nixon.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Yea he needs to regain his ability to sell products and alienating 40% of the country more than he does as a black man already isn't going to help him move product.
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Plus any endorsement deals he does have almost certainly require him to stay politically neutral.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Yea he needs to regain his ability to sell products and alienating 40% of the country more than he does as a black man already isn't going to help him move product.
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And as a guy who sometimes golfs, I'd say it is more than 40% of the golfing marketplace.
 
Dr. Keith said:
And as a guy who sometimes golfs, I'd say it is more than 40% of the golfing marketplace.
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Well yea, but I am not sure how much his media campaigns were aimed solely at people who golf. Just like Michael Jordan's hanes commercials are not aimed solely at people who play basketball.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
“Well, I’ve known Donald for a number of years,” Woods said. “We've played golf together. We've had dinner together. I've known him pre-presidency and obviously during his presidency.”

“He's the President of the United States. You have to respect the office. No matter who is in the office, you may like, dislike personality or the politics, but we all must respect the office,” Woods said during a news conference just after the final round of the US PGA Northern Trust tournament.
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The first paragraph directly contradicts the second.
 
dudalb said:
And I disagree, I think you have quite a few of that 40% who support Trump with reservatations. I know a couple.
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Well, some actual data (which I don't have) would be great for both of us.
 
dudalb said:
But I see the same thing starting to grow in the Democratic party. They seem to have formed their own version of the Tea Party of Hard Line ideologues,and I see quite a bit of pure tribalism on this thread from some "Progressives".
No, the Democrats are not as bad as the GOP, but they could very easily become so.
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Sure, anything can happen, but it took the Republicans 40+ years to get to the point of trump, so the Dems have a way to go, given their last President.

And, we shouldn't conflate and extreme policy position with anti-democratic tendencies.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
“Well, I’ve known Donald for a number of years,” Woods said. “We've played golf together. We've had dinner together. I've known him pre-presidency and obviously during his presidency.”

“He's the President of the United States. You have to respect the office. No matter who is in the office, you may like, dislike personality or the politics, but we all must respect the office,” Woods said during a news conference just after the final round of the US PGA Northern Trust tournament.
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That's about as diplomatic (and non-committal) as you can get.
 
Paul2 said:
On top of that, though, the Democratic party has shown nothing like the tribal and un-thinking tendencies, which have led us to our current situation, that the Republicans have over the last 40 years, so the odds of a Democratic leader going as far as Trump has gone, so quickly, are pretty small, wouldn't you agree?
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Nothing like? Do you live in Illinois, perchance?

And before saying "at the national level", please note that the previous administration emerged in large part from Illinois. That I believe is why they disappointed many progressives.
 
"The S&P 500 and the Nasdaq rallied to record highs on Monday, with the Nasdaq breaking above the 8,000 level for the first time, as investors were encouraged by news that the United States and Mexico reached a trade agreement."
-- Reuters (Aug 27, 2018)


"In the event Donald Trump wins the presidency, I have no doubt in my mind that the market tanks."
-- Mark Cuban (Sept 6, 2016)
 
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"Over 90% approval rating for your all time favorite (I hope) President within the Republican Party and 52% overall. This despite all of the made up stories by the Fake News Media trying endlessly to make me look as bad and evil as possible. Look at the real villains please!"
 
dudalb said:
But I see the same thing starting to grow in the Democratic party. They seem to have formed their own version of the Tea Party of Hard Line ideologues,and I see quite a bit of pure tribalism on this thread from some "Progressives".
No, the Democrats are not as bad as the GOP, but they could very easily become so.
I alos think you are lumping all Trump voters togethere ,which is a mistake.
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I'll heed this warning when elected progressives swear allegiance to the Nation of Islam or one of em yells into the mic that "9/11 was an inside job!"

A tribalist base, or at least faction is a common sight in any political party but I just don't buy that the new progressives are mirroring the hard right.
 
LSSBB said:
Nothing like? Do you live in Illinois, perchance?

And before saying "at the national level", please note that the previous administration emerged in large part from Illinois. That I believe is why they disappointed many progressives.
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I suppose, in retrospect, what I meant by "nothing like" was "nothing like those bad things to the extent the Republicans have," not "not a single example like what the Republicans have done."
 
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