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Cain said:
It's kind of amazing what people will do to harm this president. John McCain should've keeled over years ago, yet he chose to die this week (of all weeks).
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Maybe he felt like it was finally safe.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
No, Hillary didn't. She did a piss-poor job of countering the sound bite the GOP used against her.

That's right.

How is it the GOP always manages to frame the debate?

See any pattern there, maybe? :rolleyes:
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Is it worth mentioning that that's not what you had initially claimed the Democrats did? You started with claiming that the Democrats said that they would put the coal mines out of business, after all, and then recommended the strategy that they pretty much actually did use. That they did not counter the GOP's lies effectively enough is another matter entirely, and one that they may well have been very close to doomed to lose so long as they remained honest and on that general topic, though they fairly certainly could have still done notably better at their messaging than they did do.
 
Aridas said:
Is it worth mentioning that that's not what you had initially claimed the Democrats did? You started with claiming that the Democrats said that they would put the coal mines out of business, after all, and then recommended the strategy that they pretty much actually did use. That they did not counter the GOP's lies effectively enough is another matter entirely, and one that they may well have been very close to doomed to lose so long as they remained honest and on that general topic, though they fairly certainly could have still done notably better at their messaging than they did do.
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I don't know what you are talking about, but clearly you don't know what I am talking about either.

The GOP used a soundbite against Clinton where she said she'd end coal jobs. The rest of her statement did say she'd then help the displaced workers. But did you see that soundbite countering the GOP ads? I didn't.
 
Trump Tweets

"My deepest sympathies and respect go out to the family of Senator John McCain. Our hearts and prayers are with you!"
 
Cain said:
It's kind of amazing what people will do to harm this president. John McCain should've keeled over years ago, yet he chose to die this week (of all weeks).
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Minoosh said:
Maybe he felt like it was finally safe.
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Actually..... in the Mid-Term Elections thread someone linked to Dr. Crazy (Kelli Ward) claiming on Friday that the McCain family timed their statement about him refusing further cancer treatment.... so it would detract from her really big news that her campaign bus tour was starting out.

She's since removed the Tweet and naturally blames Fake News, but she made exactly the same claim that Cain did!
 
Notice Trump expresses sympathy to the family but says nothing about McCain himself.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
You're right. Turns out that lying to them is a much more effective strategy than telling them the harsh truth.
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This is what astounds me. Surely the procedure normally is:


1 - Politician makes promises during elections campaign.

2 - Politician gets elected.

3 - Politician fails to enact promises.

4 - Electorate demands to know why promises were not enacted.


Trumpettes seem to replace step four with blind doubling down in their support of their politician. How on earth does any other candidate counter that? By becoming Trump?
 
The (lack of) reaction of the Markets to the Cohen/Manafort/Pecker/Weisselberg news is interesting.
It seems that investors have figured that Republicans in the Senate won't impeach Trump no matter what.
 
FTFY
Skeptic Ginger said:
There is a third option. Democrats and other assorted liberals need to learn how to frame their POVs more effectively.

You don't say you are going to put the coal companies out of business. That's bad framing right there. You talk about the dying coal industry and tell the dying miners and other people dependent on those company jobs what you plan to do to transition them into other occupations.
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The cost of coal is not just global warming.

Since the 1990s, annual numbers of U.S. coal miners with new, confirmed cases of an advanced form of so-called black lung disease known as progressive massive fibrosis have been steadily rising, according to a new study.

The resurgence is particularly strong among central Appalachian miners in Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Virginia and West Virginia.
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The yearly number of cases fell from 404 in 1978 to 18 in 1988 but then began increasing each year, with 383 confirmed cases in 2014. At the same time, employment has declined from 250,000 miners in 1979 to 81,000 in 2016.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-disease-seen-in-us-coal-miners-idUSKCN1L82FT
https://www.npr.org/series/156453033/black-lung-returns-to-coal-country
https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1513/AnnalsATS.201804-261OC
 
I think Trump is upset today because all the political shows are talking about McCain and not Trump.
 
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