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Cont: The Trump Presidency IX: Nein, Nein!

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Mumbles said:
Even sadder - while I still think the democrats deserve criticism for not doing enough to attempt to build bridges to areas like this, it's painfully stupid to vote for some buffoon based on misplaced racial grievances and dreams of returning to a 1920s-1950s industry - particularly when voting for a buffoon who openly states that, actually, he'll still screw you over anyway.

...anyway, I'm not listening to Cheeto Benito live, or ever in general.
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I have been harping on this for years.The almost open contempt with which some...by no means all...progressves (for lack of a better word) treat rural and blue collar voters has time and time again come around to bite the Dems in the butt.
The Democrats are dominated by people from an Urban background, and they often don't have a clue about appealing to rural and blur collar voters. To be a stable majority the Dems are going to have to learn.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
The crowd keeps trying to chant "Build the Wall" and "Lock Her Up" and they are just ignoring them. Awkward.
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They continue to wrongly think Hillary broke the law while ignoring that the Trump administration is more rotten than a four month old banana. If you wrote such a thing it would be decried as too cliche
 
Well, he finished without mentioning anything, other than one comedy bit about "Where's the Collusion".

Otherwise all the usual narcissism and lying. By the end, when he talks about how he, with his money and education, is the real elite, just like the people of West Virginia, he reminds me of a chatbot that has just been trained to get cheers regardless of how nonsensical he is.
 
Probably over the head of a lot of people here, but Trump reminds me more and more of 'Gorgeous Godfrey" in Jack Kirby's "Fourth World" saga everyday.
Yeah, I could see Donnie working for Darkseid.
 
dudalb said:
Probably over the head of a lot of people here, but Trump reminds me more and more of 'Gorgeous Godfrey" in Jack Kirby's "Fourth World" saga everyday.
Yeah, I could see Donnie working for Darkseid.
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Glorious Godfrey ( sorry, not trying to be pedantic). In the Legends mini-series he took the name of G.Gordon Godfrey.
 
dudalb said:
I have been harping on this for years.The almost open contempt with which some...by no means all...progressves (for lack of a better word) treat rural and blue collar voters has time and time again come around to bite the Dems in the butt.
The Democrats are dominated by people from an Urban background, and they often don't have a clue about appealing to rural and blur collar voters. To be a stable majority the Dems are going to have to learn.
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I agree 200 percent.
 
Trump and his band of hoodwinked deplorables at those rallies remind me so much of WWF/WWE pro wrestling events. I can only hope that here there is some glimmer among the audience of the same underlying knowledge of the fakeness on display, and that not *all* of their enthusiasm is based on unthinking belief in the clown show.

Or am I just giving into my own naive hopes? I ask because we know of the effect of group think, and how behavior can be so easily molded when part of a crowd. When alone, do some Trumpettes entertain doubts they don't reveal to others? I can only hope so, for the good of them as much as everyone else. The seeming accelerating to a conclusion by Meuller could unleash much angst and anger...
 
Lurch said:
Trump and his band of hoodwinked deplorables at those rallies remind me so much of WWF/WWE pro wrestling events. I can only hope that here there is some glimmer among the audience of the same underlying knowledge of the fakeness on display, and that not *all* of their enthusiasm is based on unthinking belief in the clown show.

Or am I just giving into my own naive hopes? I ask because we know of the effect of group think, and how behavior can be so easily molded when part of a crowd. When alone, do some Trumpettes entertain doubts they don't reveal to others? I can only hope so, for the good of them as much as everyone else. The seeming accelerating to a conclusion by Meuller could unleash much angst and anger...
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When you have people still chanting "Lock her up" a year and a half after the election, you have a good example of people who are stuck in a certain mindset. Solidly. If Trump's continual lying, deplorable personal behavior, Putin brown nosing, bullying, and narcissistic behavior haven't been enough, I'm not sure it's even possible to snap them out of that mindset at this point.
 
Popehat:
I've been a lawyer for 24 years, and probably will be, God willing, another 24, and I've had awful days in court, and will have more.

But I can comfort myself that I never have, and never shall have, as bad a day in court as the President of the United States had today.
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Note: Ken "Popehat" White is no flaming liberal. He leans liberatarian, if anything. It's well worth your time to read his blog and twitter.l
 
Stacyhs said:
When you have people still chanting "Lock her up" a year and a half after the election, you have a good example of people who are stuck in a certain mindset. Solidly. If Trump's continual lying, deplorable personal behavior, Putin brown nosing, bullying, and narcissistic behavior haven't been enough, I'm not sure it's even possible to snap them out of that mindset at this point.
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Keep in mind that these are people who would actually attend a Trump rally.
 
dudalb said:
I have been harping on this for years.The almost open contempt with which some...by no means all...progressves (for lack of a better word) treat rural and blue collar voters has time and time again come around to bite the Dems in the butt.
The Democrats are dominated by people from an Urban background, and they often don't have a clue about appealing to rural and blur collar voters. To be a stable majority the Dems are going to have to learn.
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There isn't much doubt about which party has done the most for blue collar workers, and even for rural ones.

And it isn't the Republicans.

You're right about "appealing" to them, but that's a different thing, as the Trump campaign and Presidency has so starkly demonstrated.

The voters in West Virginia, both blue collar and rural, certainly found promises of the return of coal mining jobs to be more appealing. How much benefit they will actually receive as a result of that appeal is less than apparent.

Unlike the policies which the Democrats were promoting, which would actually help them.

Do you think that the Democrats should take a page from the GOP book and started lying their asses off and promising the impossible just to get votes?

Or do you think that they should continue to try and work for the benefit of all their constituents, including (especially) the blue collar and rural ones?
 
quadraginta said:
There isn't much doubt about which party has done the most for blue collar workers, and even for rural ones.

And it isn't the Republicans.

You're right about "appealing" to them, but that's a different thing, as the Trump campaign and Presidency has so starkly demonstrated.

The voters in West Virginia, both blue collar and rural, certainly found promises of the return of coal mining jobs to be more appealing. How much benefit they will actually receive as a result of that appeal is less than apparent.

Unlike the policies which the Democrats were promoting, which would actually help them.

Do you think that the Democrats should take a page from the GOP book and started lying their asses off and promising the impossible just to get votes?

Or do you think that they should continue to try and work for the benefit of all their constituents, including (especially) the blue collar and rural ones?
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NO. But I think they need to do a much better job at connecting to them.
 
It is a misconception that political parties have to appeal to all voters: they should be working for the interests of their base primarily.
The only way to appeal to all voters is to muddle your message to mean something for everyone and then do basically nothing for anyone but special interest groups.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump further tweets

"Big Rally tonight in West Virginia. Patrick Morrisey is running a GREAT race for U.S. Senate. I have done so much for West Virginia, against all odds, and having Patrick, a real fighter, by my side, would make things so much easier. See you later. CLEAN COAL!!!!"

"I am sorry to have to reiterate that there are serious and unpleasant consequences to crossing the Border into the United States ILLEGALLY! If there were no serious consequences, our country would be overrun with people trying to get in, and our system could not handle it!"
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CLEAN COLE?????? no such thing.
 
dudalb said:
I have been harping on this for years.The almost open contempt with which some...by no means all...progressves (for lack of a better word) treat rural and blue collar voters has time and time again come around to bite the Dems in the butt.
The Democrats are dominated by people from an Urban background, and they often don't have a clue about appealing to rural and blur collar voters. To be a stable majority the Dems are going to have to learn.
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Progressives? :rolleyes: Most right wingers have great contempt for a lot of the social justice stuff progressives push. That's often the basis for which the left as a whole gets caricatured. That's not the fault of progressives.

Today's establishment Dems are usually the ones who sneer at the middle class (Clinton's "deplorables" remark) and try to keep the conversation on incrementalism rather than bolder proposals which could help those blue collar people more.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump tweets

"Bill DeBlasio, the high taxing Mayor of NYC, just stole my campaign slogan: PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT! That’s not at all nice. No imagination! @foxandfriends"
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Sez the guy whose daughter stole the design (from Obama, no less) for his inauguration cake. Sez the guy whose wife (er.... "wife's spokesliar") plagiarized a speech from the former first lady.
 
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