Cont: The Trump Presidency VIII

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"Today, on the 236th anniversary of the Purple Heart, we honor the members of our Armed Forces for serving as the vanguard of American democracy and freedom around the world. #PurpleHeartDay"
 
Upchurch said:
Hmph. Shows weakness. Shows dependency. Anyone who wants or needs something Enemy Obama created is an enemy of Trump. The country must be rid of the enemies of Trump in anyway possible.

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Exactly what this country needs - an Obama Enema!! MAGA!
 
Upchurch said:
Who said what now?
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A survey conducted last year. They would support postponing the election until "voter fraud" was successfully stopped.

Claims of large-scale voter fraud are not true, but that has not stopped a substantial number of Republicans from believing them. But how far would Republicans be willing to follow the president to stop what they perceive as rampant fraud? Our recent survey suggests that the answer is quite far: About half of Republicans say they would support postponing the 2020 presidential election until the country can fix this problem.

The survey interviewed a sample of 1,325 Americans from June 5 through 20. Respondents were recruited from the Qualtrics online panel who had previously reported identifying with or leaning toward one of the two major parties. We focus on the 650 respondents who identify with or lean toward the Republican Party. The sample has been weighted to match the population in terms of sex, age, race and education.

Nearly half of Republicans (47 percent) believe that Trump won the popular vote. Larger fractions believe that millions of illegal immigrants voted (68 percent) and that voter fraud happens somewhat or very often (73 percent). Again, this is similar to previous polls.

Moreover, 52 percent said that they would support postponing the 2020 election, and 56 percent said they would do so if both Trump and Republicans in Congress proposed this.
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Armitage72 said:
A survey conducted last year. They would support postponing the election until "voter fraud" was successfully stopped.
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Claims of large-scale voter fraud are not true, but that has not stopped a substantial number of Republicans from believing them. But how far would Republicans be willing to follow the president to stop what they perceive as rampant fraud? Our recent survey suggests that the answer is quite far: About half of Republicans say they would support postponing the 2020 presidential election until the country can fix this problem.

The survey interviewed a sample of 1,325 Americans from June 5 through 20. Respondents were recruited from the Qualtrics online panel who had previously reported identifying with or leaning toward one of the two major parties. We focus on the 650 respondents who identify with or lean toward the Republican Party. The sample has been weighted to match the population in terms of sex, age, race and education.

Nearly half of Republicans (47 percent) believe that Trump won the popular vote. Larger fractions believe that millions of illegal immigrants voted (68 percent) and that voter fraud happens somewhat or very often (73 percent). Again, this is similar to previous polls.Moreover, 52 percent said that they would support postponing the 2020 election, and 56 percent said they would do so if both Trump and Republicans in Congress proposed this.
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Which is why Trump loves the undereducated.
 
That's the problem with him. It's not just that he's a bad president, it's that he seems to do everything he can to undermine serious journalism, American alliances and democracy, and so on. I'm genuenly worried that he's going to do lasting damage.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
That's the problem with him. It's not just that he's a bad president, it's that he seems to do everything he can to undermine serious journalism, American alliances and democracy, and so on. I'm genuenly worried that he's going to do lasting damage.
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Exactly he is actually pretty good at getting a dictatorship going. Those are always important first steps.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
That's the problem with him. It's not just that he's a bad president, it's that he seems to do everything he can to undermine serious journalism, American alliances and democracy, and so on. I'm genuenly worried that he's going to do lasting damage.
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Yes -- and I have thought this since day one. Meaning November 8, 2016.
What's really scary is the thought that he doesn't actually realize the extent of his power. And nobody around him is volunteering that information.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
That's the problem with him. It's not just that he's a bad president, it's that he seems to do everything he can to undermine serious journalism, American alliances and democracy, and so on. I'm genuenly worried that he's going to do lasting damage.
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This. If he was just a bad president..well, we have had those before. But Trump is unprecedented in his total contempt for democracy and legal restraints on the presidency.
And the most worrying thing is the lack of any real pushback from his own party. The GOP seems willing to throw democracy down the tube for the sake of some tax cuts.
 
alfaniner said:
Yes -- and I have thought this since day one. Meaning November 8, 2016.
What's really scary is the thought that he doesn't actually realize the extent of his power. And nobody around him is volunteering that information.
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I think it's more a case of he does not realize the constitutional and legal limits of his power....and nobody around him wants to tell him that.
 
dudalb said:
This. If he was just a bad president..well, we have had those before. But Trump is unprecedented in his total contempt for democracy and legal restraints on the presidency.
And the most worrying thing is the lack of any real pushback from his own party. The GOP seems willing to throw democracy down the tube for the sake of some tax cuts.
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That's unfair on the GOP.

They are also hoping for a stranglehold on the SCOTUS.
 
jimbob said:
That's unfair on the GOP.

They are also hoping for a stranglehold on the SCOTUS.
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The GOP is big on "Elections have consequences".
Someone should remind them that Revolutions have consequences also.
And for the first time in my life, I am afraid it might come to that.
 
Stacyhs said:
Don Lemon has what Trump will never have: class, dignity, and intelligence.

Trump is the most childish, petty, insecure person old I've ever seen. What happened in his past to make him think so little of himself that he has to attack anyone and everyone who does not boost his fragile little ego?
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I'm beginning to think that, while I agree with what you say, our focus on Trump is misplaced. Rather, we should be focusing on his supporters because, with fewer supporters, his presidency will be more likely to end sooner and his impact will be lessened.

Also, Trump's presidency forces us to think long-term, because he has created a political movement that will probably survive him. We will have to deal with Trumpists for a long while, with their leader as someone who is not Trump, and this will have the potential to continue to create great harm.

We need to figure out how to handle the Trumpists as much, if not more, as we figure out how to handle Trump.
 
Paul2 said:
I'm beginning to think that, while I agree with what you say, our focus on Trump is misplaced. Rather, we should be focusing on his supporters because, with fewer supporters, his presidency will be more likely to end sooner and his impact will be lessened.

Also, Trump's presidency forces us to think long-term, because he has created a political movement that will probably survive him. We will have to deal with Trumpists for a long while, with their leader as someone who is not Trump, and this will have the potential to continue to create great harm.

We need to figure out how to handle the Trumpists as much, if not more, as we figure out how to handle Trump.
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While I agree with you in principle, I seriously doubt that the majority of Trumpists will change their views of their Dear Leader no matter what. I think most of those who could admit their error in supporting him have already done so.
 
dudalb said:
This. If he was just a bad president..well, we have had those before. But Trump is unprecedented in his total contempt for democracy and legal restraints on the presidency.
And the most worrying thing is the lack of any real pushback from his own party. The GOP seems willing to throw democracy down the tube for the sake of some tax cuts.
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I'm not really convinced about that, for many of the politicians, though it likely does play a role. Rather, I'd first look at that thing that usually goes by the name "political cowardice."
 
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