Cont: The Trump Presidency VIII

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A summary of Trump’s exciting European adventure.
 
Trump Tweets

"Received many calls from leaders of NATO countries thanking me for helping to bring them together and to get them focused on financial obligations, both present & future. We had a truly great Summit that was inaccurately covered by much of the media. NATO is now strong & rich!"
 
Trump Tweets

"Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt"
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

"Received many calls from leaders of NATO countries thanking me for helping to bring them together and to get them focused on financial obligations, both present & future. We had a truly great Summit that was inaccurately covered by much of the media. NATO is now strong & rich!"
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It sounds as if he has read one of those self-help books where, through a process of visualisation and self-actualisation, you can make anything happen. If he says that the summit was a success and that everyone else likes him often enough, it will be true. :rolleyes:

The last bit about NATO now being rich once again demonstrates his comprehensive lack of understanding about the way in which NATO operates. A significant increase in defence spending by Germany does not result in money flowing into NATO coffers (if indeed there are NATO coffers). It may not even result in any benefit for NATO, depending on how the money is spent.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

"Received many calls from leaders of NATO countries thanking me for helping to bring them together and to get them focused on financial obligations, both present & future. We had a truly great Summit that was inaccurately covered by much of the media. NATO is now strong & rich!"
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It's amazing how quickly he solves all these problems, isn't it? One phone call with Putin and we can rest easy that Russia didn't meddle in the 2016 election, one meeting with Kim Jong-Un and we can rest easy that North Korea have no nuclear weapons, one meeting with NATO and we can rest easily that every member country is going to up their spending to what Trump would like it to be, which is necessary for the world to be a safe place.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Ingraham is claiming Trump is honest and transparent and she thinks that accomplished 'more than Bush or Obama' did.

Someone should tell her Trump is lying about his accomplishments.

LA Times: Trump claims victory at NATO despite allies' denials, then ignites furor in Britain by attacking prime minister

Guardian: Donald Trump claims tax cuts have led to 'economic miracle' as trade war looms
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Hey neither Obama or even W with his torture program was so effective at alienating our allies.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Standard protocol for inspecting an honour guard is the host head of state is nearest the guards and the guest head of state is to the outside.

It is the host head of states guard, not the visitors guard.
Trump will have been told this beforehand.

As for walking on the outside, you are getting confused. It was customary for the man to walk with a lady to his left to leave his sword arm free to defend himself and her if required.

That isn't the case when heads of state are inspecting an honour guard.
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He isn't going to let some old woman have the position of honor though. He must always be front and center.
 
CapelDodger said:
Which did not turn out to be the bombshell it was painted as. What it neglects is that the Queen acts on advice when she exercises her powers, which actually makes those powers tools of the executive, not the monarch themselves.


We're not new to running a constitutional monarchy : we kinda wrote the book on it and worked out the kinks a long time ago.
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Yeah lie about it to the public. Not the best rule book.
 
Steve said:
Not directing these questions at you, CapelDodger. Just some thoughts I have from reading this side track.

If you switched to an elected head of state you could end up with someone like Trump. Is that something the anti-monarchists would see as a plus? The US president is very political. He is involved in politics in a very open and active manner. The US president contributes exactly nothing to the national treasury. All the money flows one way - toward the White House. Would an elected head of state provide a net plus the UK treasury?
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Shouldn't that be the choice of the people of a nation? Plus the USA is far from the only way to have head of state, our equivalent of Trump is our PM who already has more power than the USA President. Given our constitution we don't need a president the way some other countries do, our head of state should be the prime minister.
 
Steve said:
Not directing these questions at you, CapelDodger. Just some thoughts I have from reading this side track.

If you switched to an elected head of state you could end up with someone like Trump. Is that something the anti-monarchists would see as a plus? The US president is very political. He is involved in politics in a very open and active manner. The US president contributes exactly nothing to the national treasury. All the money flows one way - toward the White House. Would an elected head of state provide a net plus the UK treasury?
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Bolding mine. Or if we stay with a monarchy we could end up with Prince Charles...

...there's a reason the Queen has hung on so long...
 
ponderingturtle said:
He isn't going to let some old woman have the position of honor though. He must always be front and center.
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After they made the left turn and we got a side view, Trump eclipses the queen. But if he had been on her right, the queen would have been in the foreground, with Trump standing tall beside her, relatively young and virile.

He blew it as far as the optics go ... but optics are trivial, compared to the damage he has done by alienating virtually all of Europe and America's NATO allies.

Still, here we are continuing to discuss trivialities when Trump is meeting Putin and probably giving him classified information, assuring him that sanctions are just for show and congratulating him on how he has consolidated power and gotten rich in post-USSR Russia.
 
Minoosh said:
Still, here we are continuing to discuss trivialities when Trump is meeting Putin and probably giving him classified information, assuring him that sanctions are just for show and congratulating him on how he has consolidated power and gotten rich in post-USSR Russia.
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Real americans love all that stuff, they think Russia is the model of how to run a nation.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Real americans love all that stuff, they think Russia is the model of how to run a nation.
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Granted, a substantial minority does think that.

Putin is not some silver-spoon blowhard trying to fit in with the big boys. Quite possibly he'll eviscerate Trump, who will never know what hit him. And this might be fine with many Americans, but let's not lose sight of the reality that a majority of U.S. voters did not want to see this man in the presidency.
 
Darat said:
Shouldn't that be the choice of the people of a nation? Plus the USA is far from the only way to have head of state, our equivalent of Trump is our PM who already has more power than the USA President. Given our constitution we don't need a president the way some other countries do, our head of state should be the prime minister.
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The problem is, the prime minister (even if they aren't completely incompetent) is still going to be elected despite a large portion of the electorate not agreeing with them.

I'm from Canada, and our head of state is the Queen (represented by the Gov. General). I think it works well... a symbolic head who is (relatively) neutral who can handle some of the diplomacy and ceremonial functions. People who get the "order of Canada" don't get it from someone who may be from the political party you voted against but from a Gov. General who doesn't represent any political party.

Granted, Trump makes the problem worse than just your average president/prime minister being head of state.... not only are they politically biased but they may make any ceremonial function "all about them". (Witness Trump's actions at a ceremony honoring WW2 native American veterans, or CIA agents.)
 
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