Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 5

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EU require same rules are applied to all EU citizens - do you want to exclude all under 21s from benefits?

I'm not saying do exactly the same, but there should be some sort of qualification process.

ETA In my original post I should have said:

I can't see why we couldn't do something similar.
 
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I think the main argument against free movement was the access to benefits in the UK.

It was perceived (by some) that everyone was coming here not to work but to claim benefits.

I must admit that I think there should be some sort of qualifying period before benefits are allowed to be claimed. Whether that be time in the country or amount of time paying into the system.

When I lived in Spain you had to pay into the system before you qualified to take something out. So I can't see why we couldn't do that in the UK.
We could and we do.
 
IIRC wasn't this one of Cameron's last acts before the referendum?

He was trying to get the EU to agree to the UK changing it's benefits policy towards incoming EU nationals.
Cameron's last acts were perhaps an attempt at bamboozling the public into thinking that.

The UK certainly does not and did not need EU approval to change its benefits policy. The reason why the UK can't do the same as Spain (or France, Germany, or anyone) is, because it is run by nincompoops.
 
Cameron's last acts were perhaps an attempt at bamboozling the public into thinking that.

The UK certainly does not and did not need EU approval to change its benefits policy. The reason why the UK can't do the same as Spain (or France, Germany, or anyone) is, because it is run by nincompoops.

To be fair, there's nothing to stop the UK changing it's benefits policy if it is the same for everyone, but to only change it's policy regarding EU nationals would have been against EU rules.
 
To be fair, there's nothing to stop the UK changing it's benefits policy if it is the same for everyone, but to only change it's policy regarding EU nationals would have been against EU rules.
Well, why could Spain do what it did?
 
To be fair, there's nothing to stop the UK changing it's benefits policy if it is the same for everyone, but to only change it's policy regarding EU nationals would have been against EU rules.

Exactly.

Which is why things like restricting benefits, or registering EU citizens addresses are so problematic in the UK, although they are common elsewhere in the EU - you'd have to do it for UK citizens too.
 
Well, why could Spain do what it did?

Because it's the same rules for everyone.

You can't take out unless you've paid in.

For example, "dole" money is worked out on how long you have been paying social security. The longer you have paid in the longer you can claim for if you lose your job. Once you have claimed all that you are allowed the money stops. This applies to Spanish citizens as well as EU nationals.
 
Cameron's last acts were perhaps an attempt at bamboozling the public into thinking that.

The UK certainly does not and did not need EU approval to change its benefits policy. The reason why the UK can't do the same as Spain (or France, Germany, or anyone) is, because it is run by nincompoops.

Citation needed (hollow laugh)

I veer between knaves and fools, personally.
 
Exactly.

Which is why things like restricting benefits, or registering EU citizens addresses are so problematic in the UK, although they are common elsewhere in the EU - you'd have to do it for UK citizens too.

Because it's the same rules for everyone.

You can't take out unless you've paid in.

For example, "dole" money is worked out on how long you have been paying social security. The longer you have paid in the longer you can claim for if you lose your job. Once you have claimed all that you are allowed the money stops. This applies to Spanish citizens as well as EU nationals.

No. That's not correct.
 
A perception that was not even remotely accurate. Quite the opposite, in fact.

True, and the fact that most immigrants people were complaining about were not from the EU anyway.

However, I still feel the benefits system should be reviewed, for everyone not just immigrants.

The problem with this for the political parties is that any changes to the benefits system is seen as a vote loser. The same with the constant need to be seen to reduce taxes whilst at the same time raising public spending.
 
When I lived in Spain you had to pay into the system before you qualified to take something out. So I can't see why we couldn't do that in the UK.

They could have, successive governments preferred to whine about EU Rules than actually take action, assuming there was actually a real problem with 'benefit tourism' in the first place.
 
I think the main argument against free movement was the access to benefits in the UK.

It was perceived (by some) that everyone was coming here not to work but to claim benefits.

I must admit that I think there should be some sort of qualifying period before benefits are allowed to be claimed. Whether that be time in the country or amount of time paying into the system.

When I lived in Spain you had to pay into the system before you qualified to take something out. So I can't see why we couldn't do that in the UK.


According to:

https://fullfact.org/immigration/migration-and-welfare-benefits/

there is a qualifying period.

"An EEA citizen who arrives without a job and is still looking for work cannot receive means-tested jobseekers' allowance, child tax credit or child benefit within the first three months, under new regulations that came into force during 2014. These jobseekers must also pass the "habitual residence test" in order to claim. This test considers various factors including the measures they have taken to establish themselves in the UK and find work here."
 
Citation needed (hollow laugh)

I veer between knaves and fools, personally.

In truth one has to ask how the UK ended up with such a dysfunctional government. Who are the people ultimately in charge in a democracy?

Britain's big problem is not brexit. It's bad for the economy but it's just a cut. A cut is not an issue. Being a cutter is.
The UK has somehow decided that it's going to assert its independance by engaging in self-harm. Collectively the UK acts like an emo teen.
 
In truth one has to ask how the UK ended up with such a dysfunctional government. Who are the people ultimately in charge in a democracy?

Britain's big problem is not brexit. It's bad for the economy but it's just a cut. A cut is not an issue. Being a cutter is.
The UK has somehow decided that it's going to assert its independance by engaging in self-harm.

You could make much the same argument after any election your party lost.
 
You could make much the same argument after any election your party lost.
That implies that you believe that the economic impacts of brexit are the same as that of any election. Is that your considered opinion?
 
Boris thinks the whole thing is a 'turd' and anyone supporting it is just trying to 'polish the turd'

He voted to support it.
 
Boris thinks the whole thing is a 'turd' and anyone supporting it is just trying to 'polish the turd'

He voted to support it.

What a brilliant solution to the cake conundrum! They found something which you can actually have and eat.
 
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