Trump immigrant family separation policy

Foolmewunz said:
We should hope DJT isn't campaigning in Bunkerville ID next week. If he thinks he needs the canned-goods-bottled-water-and-ammo vote, he'll pardon the guy. He could parachute him in to run against Tester in Montana.
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The US world has gotten pretty sick, hasn't it. :(
 
Foolmewunz said:
We should hope DJT isn't campaigning in Bunkerville ID next week. If he thinks he needs the canned-goods-bottled-water-and-ammo vote, he'll pardon the guy. He could parachute him in to run against Tester in Montana.
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Raphael Sanchez - sounds a bit "multicultural" for the Montana demographic ;)
 
CaptainHowdy said:
It takes a special kind of evil to torture and kill an animal to oppose another persons supposed lack of compassion. Just shows you how sick these pro-illegal immigrant “people” really are.
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A couple things to consider.

1) According to the article, there were a couple dozen threats reported. The number of people who are pissed off at the current family separation issue is quite a bit higher than that. Assuming that all 24 reports are from different perpetrators, that's not really a statistically significant percentage. The animal carcass was a single incident. If I can find one nutjob who did something awful and is on the same side of a single issue as you are, does that characterize your position?

2) The article mentions the state of the animal carcass, not how it got there. While it is possible that someone tortured an animal, roadkill is abundant. You're getting riled up at an action that you have no particular reason to believe actually happened.
 
Trump admin ran 'pilot program' for separating migrant families in 2017

Turns out there are more children separated than previously admitted to by the White House. The admin says 2342 since May 5. However...

Last July the administration ran a pilot program for the zero tolerance policy.

... in July, as Kelly left his post at DHS to become President Donald Trump's chief of staff, the department launched its experiment in El Paso.

There was no official announcement. But late last summer, attorneys and advocates in this border city heard increasing numbers of migrants talk of their children being taken away — and having no idea where they were.

"It was just like a switch, you saw it happen overnight," said Jessie Miles, an immigration lawyer in El Paso and member of the Borderland Immigration Council, a coalition of immigration attorneys and advocates.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/i...families-2017-n887616?cid=public-rss_20180629
 
slyjoe said:
Turns out there are more children separated than previously admitted to by the White House. The admin says 2342 since May 5. However...

Last July the administration ran a pilot program for the zero tolerance policy.



https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/i...families-2017-n887616?cid=public-rss_20180629
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That's not what the article says. It only says:
More than 1,000 children were separated between October 2016 and September 2017, and 703 were separated between October 2017 and February 2018, according to DHS.

It's unclear how many of those 1,768 children were separated after President Donald Trump's inauguration in January 2017. NBC repeatedly asked DHS for comprehensive data, but the agency declined to provide month-by-month figures, did not provide data prior to October 2016 and did not supply any numbers for March and April 2018.
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It doesn't say how many, if any, kids were removed from parents under Obama, nor for what reasons.

It could very well be that Obama did run a pilot program for this, but that's not what is stated in the article. More explicitly:
A DHS official told NBC News that the practice of dividing parents and kids predates the Trump presidency. "DHS has continued a long-standing policy by the previous administration," said the official, listing risk to the child and criminal prosecution of the parent as among the reasons for separation.
But the DHS official also confirmed to NBC that, from July 2017 to October 2017, the Trump administration ran what the official called a "pilot program" for zero tolerance in El Paso.
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Separating kids from danger or criminal prosecution is not the same thing as deciding to classify every misdemeanor as requiring criminal prosecution.
 
Minoosh said:
Oh, what do I do. Misunderstood. I'm in education. e-Verify is a state requirement, it turns out.
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E-Verify is a state requirement in NC as well. For all public employees (which catches most educators, maybe including you), and workers for private companies with 25 or more employees ... as long as those employees do not work less than nine months out of the year.


For those who are slow on the uptake, this exempts seasonal farm workers (NC is ranked ninth in agricultural income) as well as many of the tourist trade service workers. (Who are also very seasonal. We rank twentieth in tourism. Mountains on one end of the state, beaches on the other.) Not to mention all small businesses.

In other words, pretty much all of the jobs which are most attractive to undocumented immigrants, and the employers who hire them.

Yeah for E-Verify. It's a state requirement. :rolleyes:
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
https://twitter.com/SenatorDurbin/status/1012791431398862848

I received a briefing yesterday where Trump officials refused to commit to reuniting families. They could not say how many families have been separated and said they only have plans to reunite 10 parents in their custody with children under 5. Outrageous.
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Classic Trump. Lots of pompous bluster about doing something to fix a problem, while doing little or nothing. Or worse.

Then his fan club can point to their Supreme Leader's bluster and claim he's been doing something
 
Minoosh said:
Luckily there were people stupid enough to take and keep pictures. Or maybe not luckily, exactly - I hate to think how that affected our overall image - but still, authentic, incontrovertible evidence.
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And of course they were then properly destroyed by the current head of the CIA.
I don't think that's going to change. People are going to keep making and sharing pictures. It's incredibly easy now to get video, recordings, stills, to share them, to go viral. They communicate at a glance in a language that everyone on the planet understands. If something awful is happening, there's a good chance it will be revealed. I don't mean to be complacent about that. It's not foolproof. But overall I think it's healthy for democracy.
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Which is the point, that it was the most unskilled and untrained people doing the torture that got caught because unlike higher ups they didn't know to destroy the evidence.
 
And... The Trump Administration loses in court again.

In a victory for vulnerable families and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), a federal judge has ruled “the Trump administration is violating its own policy by uniformly denying parole to asylum-seekers,” including those who passed their initial “credible fear” interviews and don’t pose any danger to public safety
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But... that and the other cases that they've lost certainly don't stop them from trying to give parents separated from their kids only two options.

According to a copy of a government form obtained by NBC News, the Trump administration has instructed immigration agents to give parents separated from their children two options: leave the country with your kids — or leave the country without them.
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At this point, I'm beginning to be a fan of zero tolerance. Lock up all those church staff who aren't paying the new taxes with regards to churches. Nevermind that they have no real guidelines to follow for much of it. That, at least, should shock the Republican party into understanding what they've become. Lock up all these Trump Administration jackasses who have been conspiring and acting with intent to break and subvert the law, too, while we're at it.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1014185248068755458



I'm sure someone will be along in a minute to explain how this is perfectly fine, and anyway it's their parents' fault.
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I'd be tempted to say that this isn't new, but... it sorta is. That unaccompanied minors have appeared in courts isn't new, if I understand correctly (including infants, no less). What's new about it is that Trump ended the policy of providing assistance to them, leaving charitable folk scrambling to fill in the hole.
 
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