Trump immigrant family separation policy

Did they actually do that? Link?

All I can find is a The Hill piece about it, and some random Fox News stuff. I didn't dig very hard, and frankly Fox is unwatchable. I generally steer clear of The Hill because they tilt the opposite way at times in my opinion. They didn't say anything about legal or illegal in immigrants in what I read.

The building serves as a processing center and temporary detention facility for immigrants arrested in New York City.

In an unsurprising coincidence:

The New York City protest is led by the Metropolitan Anarchist Coordinating Council (MACC).

From a tweet:

About 40 people at 201 Varick right now for #occupyicenyc

So not exactly busting the doors down. There was a spattering of 40 people in New York City.

Lastly:

Others, including at least one attorney, said that the decision was actually in the agency’s favor and may result in some immigrants being detained for weeks longer than expected.

So it's possible, but nothing definitive. Either way, those 40 people aren't really representative of jack **** LoL. More people get in line at hot dog carts.
 
It takes a special kind of evil to torture and kill an animal to oppose another persons supposed lack of compassion. Just shows you how sick these pro-illegal immigrant “people” really are.

Non-evil people just do it for ***** and giggles.

It seems young Huckabee spent some time as a counselor at a Boy Scouts camp called Camp Pioneer back in 1998 when he was 17-years-old. Huck happened upon a stray dog that had the misfortune to cross his path. In a move sure to send chills down the spine of parents everywhere, trusting their kids are being cared for by well intentioned summer camp counselors, David Huckabee hung the dog from a tree. His excuse, according to an interview Newsweek conducted with his father Mike: “There was a dog that apparently had mange and was absolutely, I guess, emaciated.”

Funny. That, or perhaps a trip to the local vet might have helped.

The two best postscripts to this story: 1. Young Huck was fired for violating the Boy Scouts credo to “be kind.” 2. He later made Eagle Scout. Apparently, no good deed, well, you know...
 
It takes a special kind of evil to torture and kill an animal to oppose another persons supposed lack of compassion. Just shows you how sick these pro-illegal immigrant “people” really are.
Maybe someone just used a carcass that was lying around, rather than torturing and killing an animal for that purpose. I also wish I had some idea of the scale. Dead bird? Ferret? Hippopotamus?
 
Well. A couple links here.

Elizabeth Warren's Here's what I saw at the Border.

Short version, it's really bad, though there are some very fine people doing their best to help out as they are actually able.


Next up, looks like it's Alex Azar -

Earlier Tuesday, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, testifying on Capitol Hill, said the only way parents can quickly be reunited with their children is to drop their claims for asylum in the United States and agree to be deported.

...I have little more than a long string of swear words in response to that. Not least because they're not putting any effort into reuniting them even if they do agree to do so.

That quote was from the LA Times, incidentally, which, along with Politico is reporting some much better news, too. This quote from the Politico article is a little longer, but includes a bunch of important information.

A federal judge on Tuesday ordered the federal government to reunite migrant parents with children taken from them under the Trump administration’s family separation policy.

U.S. District Court Judge Dana Sabraw, based in San Diego, issued a preliminary injunction on Tuesday night requiring that nearly all children younger than 5 be returned to their parents within 14 days and that older children be returned within 30 days.

Blasting the Trump administration for what he called “a chaotic circumstance of the Government’s own making,” Sabraw said it was a “startling reality” that no adequate planning had been done before officials embarked on a policy to separate children from parents kept in immigration custody or referred for criminal prosecution. The practice has led to more than 2,300 children being separated from their parents or other family members.

“The government readily keeps track of personal property of detainees in criminal and immigration proceedings,” Sabraw wrote in his 24-page order. “Money, important documents, and automobiles, to name a few, are routinely catalogued, stored, tracked and produced upon a detainee’s release, at all levels — state and federal, citizen and alien. Yet, the government has no system in place to keep track of, provide effective communication with, and promptly produce alien children. The unfortunate reality is that under the present system migrant children are not accounted for with the same efficiency and accuracy as property. Certainly, that cannot satisfy the requirements of due process.”

The injunction was issued over the objections of the Trump administration, which had asked Sabraw to hold off issuing any such mandate while agencies worked to implement the executive order President Donald Trump issued last week purporting to rescind the family separation policy.

The preliminary injunction also blocks deporting parents who have been separated from their children “unless the Class Member affirmatively, knowingly, and voluntarily declines to be reunited with the child prior to the Class Member’s deportation, or there is a determination that the parent is unfit or presents a danger to the child.”
 
I did some research in the '80s that indicated a person's chance of getting political asylum was aligned with whether the U.S. was hostile or friendly to certain Latin American countries. IOW a Nicaraguan refugee fleeing Marxism had a much better chance than, say, a Salvadoran, where there was U.S. support for death squads etc.

I'm wondering what will happen when Venezuelans start washing up on our shores, because that is considered a hostile regime.

It's already automatic for a Cuban to land on U.S. soil and immediately become legal.

Did Trump reinstate wetfoot dryfoot? Because that was ended by Obama.
 
We don't. But demonizing them as a group can backfire. Bad idea IMO. Squander emerging goodwill toward immigrants that does happen when human beings get a closeup look at each other. Maybe it sounds like I'm just repeating myself, I don't know, but IMO it's very important to build on the humanitarian gestures. In my experience Border Patrol agents aren't all *******. I don't want to demonize them any more than I want to see the border crossers demonized. Two wrongs don't make a right. Sauce for the goose etc. I want to generate light not heat. Lots of cliches I know but it's very heartfelt and based on the good that I have seen from immigration enforcement over the years.

ETA: They're not all Nazis. They're just not. As a group yes, I would default to treating them with understanding - not enabling them, but refraining from the slapping labels on them and "outing" them maliciously.

Hell even the Nazis are not all nazis may were fine people, if only the jews had treated them better as people were advocating at the time things might have turned out better.

https://twitter.com/studentactivism/status/1007301941540655106/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.alternet.org%2Fnews-amp-politics%2Fhistorian-highlights-1934-nytimes-opinion-piece-urging-jews-be-civil-towards-nazis
 
This isn't about a political difference. This is about a policy to build concentration camps for children.

Nope see it is. Some people like children's concentration camps we call them conservatives and some people don't. But treating someone poorly because they advocate for concentration camps for children or gays is the worst thing one can do, far worse apparently than sending people to concentration camps.
 
I noticed that when House Republicans tried to pass an immigration bill they were losing votes from farm states that didn't want to make the agricultural sector subject to E-Verify hiring rules. I was gobsmacked because for the past 8 years I have had to prove my citizenship anywhere I worked and I had understood that to be federal law. Nope, only in 9 states.

News like that makes me worry less about how conservative the government is, because there is so much phony posturing and meanwhile there are GOP pragmatists that probably aren't too thrilled about a wall, either.

It's also interesting to see how social media boosted the family separation story at least partly due to dodgy photos including a boy in a cage that was staged as part of an immigration protest.

The issue is genuinely outrageous, but it's interesting to see that fake memes can be pressed into service for any cause, conservative or liberal. I hope it makes Americans a little more hip to the fact that a lot of their news is propaganda.
 
I noticed that when House Republicans tried to pass an immigration bill they were losing votes from farm states that didn't want to make the agricultural sector subject to E-Verify hiring rules.
An excellent point.

I was gobsmacked because for the past 8 years I have had to prove my citizenship anywhere I worked and I had understood that to be federal law. Nope, only in 9 states.
:confused: Really? What do you do?

... It's also interesting to see how social media boosted the family separation story at least partly due to dodgy photos including a boy in a cage that was staged as part of an immigration protest.

The issue is genuinely outrageous, but it's interesting to see that fake memes can be pressed into service for any cause, conservative or liberal. I hope it makes Americans a little more hip to the fact that a lot of their news is propaganda.
Ignore the attempt to distract people with fake memes and faux outrage. Keep to what matters.
 
Really? What do you do?
Passport usually works. I've worked for a lot of different agencies and they always check. Agriculture wants to be exempt from that.

Ignore the attempt to distract people with fake memes and faux outrage. Keep to what matters.
I don't ignore them but I don't dwell on them either. The Time kerfuffle died down pretty quickly, because even without images the outrage was widespread. It's just a reminder to not accept everything at face value. Be appropriately skeptical whether it's an outlet you agree with or not. And especially if it seems to come from social media.
 
I noticed that when House Republicans tried to pass an immigration bill they were losing votes from farm states that didn't want to make the agricultural sector subject to E-Verify hiring rules. I was gobsmacked because for the past 8 years I have had to prove my citizenship anywhere I worked and I had understood that to be federal law. Nope, only in 9 states.

News like that makes me worry less about how conservative the government is, because there is so much phony posturing and meanwhile there are GOP pragmatists that probably aren't too thrilled about a wall, either.

Not really immigration has always split both parties, that is why it is so hard to get anything passed.
 
Passport usually works. I've worked for a lot of different agencies and they always check. Agriculture wants to be exempt from that.

I don't ignore them but I don't dwell on them either. The Time kerfuffle died down pretty quickly, because even without images the outrage was widespread. It's just a reminder to not accept everything at face value. Be appropriately skeptical whether it's an outlet you agree with or not. And especially if it seems to come from social media.

Of course like with torture the government knows how important it is to prevent emotional photos of their wrong doing to get out. That is why the torture report got no legal traction but the abu graib photos did. The extent of the wrong doing is much less important than the optics.
 
Of course like with torture the government knows how important it is to prevent emotional photos of their wrong doing to get out. That is why the torture report got no legal traction but the abu graib photos did. The extent of the wrong doing is much less important than the optics.
Luckily there were people stupid enough to take and keep pictures. Or maybe not luckily, exactly - I hate to think how that affected our overall image - but still, authentic, incontrovertible evidence.

I don't think that's going to change. People are going to keep making and sharing pictures. It's incredibly easy now to get video, recordings, stills, to share them, to go viral. They communicate at a glance in a language that everyone on the planet understands. If something awful is happening, there's a good chance it will be revealed. I don't mean to be complacent about that. It's not foolproof. But overall I think it's healthy for democracy.
 
No, it's one thing to take on a spokesman, which I'm not keen on but can understand.

Simple officers should be beyond the pale. You really can't view them as holocaust officials. What's going on isn't good but it isn't the same.

This is conflict short of war. Do you want to stop the policy or don't you? Recruiting and retention on the SLB is a vulnerability of DHS. If you want to bend your enemy to your will you have to hit where the enemy is vulnerable. Encouraging people to find other jobs and discouraging recruiting places the enemy in a position of deciding if they want to keep doing what you want them to stop doing or risk complete failure of a core mission.
 
Nearly 600 people arrested after protesting Trump immigration policy
WASHINGTON -- Capitol Police arrested nearly 600 people Thursday after hundreds of loudly chanting women demonstrated inside a Senate office building against President Donald Trump's treatment of migrant families. Among them were a Washington state congresswoman, the lawmaker said on Twitter.

The protests came as demonstrations occurred around the country over the Trump administration's policy of separating immigrant families. They offered a glimpse of what might happen on Saturday when rallies are planned coast to coast.
 
Speaking of ICE:
Using his position as a chief counsel at Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s Seattle office, he plotted to profit from the personal information of several immigrants. In four years, he made charges and drew payments in excess of $190,000. Years later, an internal investigation uncovered the fraud, and the Justice Department filed criminal charges in 2017. On Thursday, Sanchez was sentenced to four years in prison.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...dentities-sentenced-to-4-years/?noredirect=on
 

Well that certainly sucks.

Here's the Seattle KING 5 story in case folks are behind the WA Po paywall.

Seattle ICE attorney gets prison time for stealing identities of aliens

Talk about irony:
Raphael Sanchez, a former attorney for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Seattle, admitted to using the identities of aliens to open credit lines and personal loans, prosecutors say.

Hooray for us, giving the guy prison time.
 

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