Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 5

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Aber said:
There are of course some countries where it would be reasonable to give concessions - main category would be those supplying agricultural produce that can't be grown in the UK.
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Under those circumstances then, the deal cannot be signed immediately (as claimed) and will have to await agreement of terms.

Why restrict it to agricultural products - or even have it as a main category ? Our domestic consumer electronics industry is completely unable to cope with demand, there are broad categories of raw materials we are unable to source domestically - we even import electricity.

Indeed a case could be made for pretty much any country we import from that they provide us with some commodity, good or service we cannot provide for ourselves, at the price and/or quality that they can.
 
Information Analyst said:
Because they're pretty much the monopoly supplier of Big Stuff, quite a bit of which seems to work fine.
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When it has been fixed.

Babcock are starting to pick up some contracts now for naval stuff, they have a good reputation producing ships for various foreign navies.
On land it looks like we are going for the German / Dutch Boxer multirole armoured fighting vehicle to replace all the various knackered old vehicles in service at the moment, including command post, ambulance, engineer, cargo and Mechanised Infantry vehicle (Armoured Personnel Carrier).
 
dudalb said:
From what I have read, Johnson is so disliked by many in the Tory party that even if May fell he would probably not get the PM nod.
And is it just me or is he TRYING to look like Donald Trump?
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By about ten minutes in, Mair really shows what Johnson really is like

Short version - Mair asks a difficult question, Johnson evades, and then asks to move on, so Mair obliges, and asks a more embarrassing question.
 
The EU is increasing the political pressure on Theresa May to make some substantive progress.

Theresa May has been warned that time is running out to secure a Brexit deal as she prepares to face the other 27 EU leaders at a summit in Brussels.

The PM will brief all her counterparts for the last time before October, when both sides hope a deal will be done on the UK's March 2019 departure.

But Irish leader Leo Varadkar said the lack of progress was "disappointing".

He said he expected fellow leaders to send a "strong message" to Mrs May that talks had to "intensify".
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44636755

I realise that she has a difficult job. As has been pointed out to me many times in this thread's predecessors, her only priority seems to be remaining Prime Minister. To achieve this, she has to placate various "stakeholders" with mutually incompatible objectives. She can do this by being vague and/or offering different things to different groups - neither of these is compatible with making progress on Brexit negotiations.

Right now, the only solution I can see is a "no-deal" Brexit, a hard Irish border and a return to the troubles :(.
 
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Pixel42 said:
The club analogy for the new trade deal would be the ex member turning round and saying something like "of course I'll still want to play on the golf course, so you'll do me a good deal on green fees and a discount in the shop etc won't you?". No, you'll pay the full non-member prices, and you'll still have to obey the club rules though you will no longer have any say in what they are.
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Analogies are all limited. What happens when you leave a club depends on the club rules. You may get your membership fee back less the period you were a member for. Some clubs you could sell your membership to eligible persons who wished to join; you might actually turn a profit. What is the case here is that there are no club rules for leaving; they have to be agreed. Unlike most golf clubs this club says you can't play with / be a member of other clubs (except when playing as part of the EU golf club team).

A better analogy might be of a co-op club where each member brings their own holes. The UK gets to take away one of the holes. (A really great hole, one of the best holes ever, a Dodgson-Hawking hole.) The rest of the members can still play, but with one less hole. If they want to play the same rounds as before they need to negotiate a deal. No I don't want to be a member of your club; you can decide who joins what the fees are, what you wear. But if your 17 members want to play with my hole then I need to be allowed to play with your holes. There are also other clubs next to me, and I want to play with their holes and I don't want your permission for other people to play with my hole. (Please improve the analogy with appropriate use of terms such as wood, putting, balls etc.)
 
Sunderland Echo reporting that Nissan has halted Investment plans while it remains in the dark about Brexit.
They want more information and certainty from the Govt.
 
3point14 said:
Didn't May promise them <something> some while ago?
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If the Independent is right, she offered them the promise of a promise:

A Whitehall source told The Independent: “There was no specific promise of money. It was a gentleman’s agreement, a case of doing whatever it took to keep Nissan happy.”
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tter-no-money-davos-theresa-may-a7538391.html

IOW, pretty much the standard MO for anything to do with government's approach to Brexit, a vague fudge.


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This from earlier this year:

A ‘no-deal’ Brexit could destroy the car industry and put hundreds of thousands of jobs at risk, a major inquiry has warned.

Even quitting the European Union with a trade deal in place can only hurt rather than help the automotive sector, which directly or indirectly employs 900,000 people across the UK.

The findings from the cross-party House of Commons Business Committee reveals the threat to 7,000 jobs at Nissan’s car plant in Sunderland, as well as thousands of others in the carmaker’s supply chain.
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https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/7000-nissan-workers-could-lose-14349940
 
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Theresa May using "blackmail" to try and get a better Brexit deal

Citizens could be less safe if the UK has to leave key policing agreements after Brexit, Prime Minister Theresa May has warned EU leaders.

The UK says EU negotiators are blocking agreement on tracking terrorists and sharing information after March 2019.

The EU says once the UK becomes a "third country" it cannot have the same access to policing initiatives.

Mrs May urged EU leaders to "consider what is in the best interests of the safety of your citizens and mine."
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44651610

If safety is so important, don't leave
 
Something that has grabbed tabloid headlines more than Brexit, and possibly even more than England's unexpected performance against Panama in the football is that temporary closures for maintenance in UK chemicals plants mean that there is a national shortage of CO2. WE MAY RUN OUT OF PORK, CHICKEN, AND LAGER - already crumpet supplies have been compromised :jaw-dropp.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44654127

Interestingly, a temporary fix is at hand....

The industry trade journal Gas World, which first reported the news that CO2 was running short, said that two tankers full of liquid CO2 from mainland Europe have been delivered to ports in the UK in the past couple of days.
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Post-Brexit, it'll likely be less easy for short-notice imports to make it to these shores.
 
The Don said:
Something that has grabbed tabloid headlines more than Brexit, and possibly even more than England's unexpected performance against Panama in the football is that temporary closures for maintenance in UK chemicals plants mean that there is a national shortage of CO2. WE MAY RUN OUT OF PORK, CHICKEN, AND LAGER - already crumpet supplies have been compromised :jaw-dropp.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44654127

Interestingly, a temporary fix is at hand....



Post-Brexit, it'll likely be less easy for short-notice imports to make it to these shores.
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Makes me wonder why you need CO2 for crumpet making or preparing chicken and pork?
 
The Don said:
Something that has grabbed tabloid headlines more than Brexit, and possibly even more than England's unexpected performance against Panama in the football is that temporary closures for maintenance in UK chemicals plants mean that there is a national shortage of CO2. WE MAY RUN OUT OF PORK, CHICKEN, AND LAGER - already crumpet supplies have been compromised :jaw-dropp.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44654127

Interestingly, a temporary fix is at hand....



Post-Brexit, it'll likely be less easy for short-notice imports to make it to these shores.
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Hmmph.. typical, not a word about the poor cyclists who may end up stranded miles from home....:D
 
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