Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 5

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Darat said:
It is the only way to safely and humanely stun the adult Crumps so you can tear the young - Crumpets - from their mothers.
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As any fule kno, young crumpets are called pikelets.

Carbon Dioxide is used to provide an inert atmosphere inside packaging to retard spoilage.
 
Lothian said:
I think heading for a hard brexit, she is stoking fear and adding extra border checks and slowing everything down.
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I've been convinced since day 1 of Theresa May's premiership that that is where we are inevitably heading - a hard, likely no deal, Brexit with all the pain that involves. It's the only way to engage the Dunkirk SpiritTM and allows everything to be blamed on the intransigence of the EU.

Why else would they work so hard to prevent parliament having a meaningful say in the event of a no-deal Brexit unless that's what they expected would happen ?
 
The Don said:
I've been convinced since day 1 of Theresa May's premiership that that is where we are inevitably heading - a hard, likely no deal, Brexit with all the pain that involves. It's the only way to engage the Dunkirk SpiritTM and allows everything to be blamed on the intransigence of the EU.
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I'd go a step further, in that I think it's her revenge on the electorate for putting the government in such a stupid position - "You want Brexit, do you? Well I'll give you Brexit, right up the ****." The only problem with that is that it seems to be exactly what a large proportion of the electorate actually wants.

Dave
 
The Don said:
Theresa May using "blackmail" to try and get a better Brexit deal



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44651610

If safety is so important, don't leave
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We don't want to leave the European Arrest Warrant. It's the EU in the shape of Michael Barnier that is threatening to kick us out and make everyone less safe. Understandable that he thinks threats to the UK are more important right now than the safety of EU citizens.
 
ceptimus said:
We don't want to leave the European Arrest Warrant. It's the EU in the shape of Michael Barnier that is threatening to kick us out and make everyone less safe. Understandable that he thinks threats to the UK are more important right now than the safety of EU citizens.
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I don't seem to recall there being a pick and mix option in Brexit?
Out means out of everything and if you want to keep using it without being a member of the EU, you negotiate new deals that will probably be less profitable as you are now negotiating from a weaker position.
It's what Brexit is for right? None of this conforming to european policing methods or sharing.
 
ceptimus said:
We don't want to leave the European Arrest Warrant. It's the EU in the shape of Michael Barnier that is threatening to kick us out and make everyone less safe. Understandable that he thinks threats to the UK are more important right now than the safety of EU citizens.
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Ahh. Damn that Barnier, the evil and capricious emperor of Europe. Whatfor did he ever cruelly decide to kick out those good British subjects from his Union?
 
ceptimus said:
We don't want to leave the European Arrest Warrant. It's the EU in the shape of Michael Barnier that is threatening to kick us out and make everyone less safe. Understandable that he thinks threats to the UK are more important right now than the safety of EU citizens.
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As usual you want to continue enjoying the benefits of something that's only open to members of the EU. It would almost seem like you didn't think this whole Brexit thing through properly.
 
Lothian said:
Noted, you want to remain subject to directives proposed and amended by unelected Commissioners, approved and foisted upon us by non UK MEPs and overseen by the ECJ.
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You know that's a totally wrong characterization of my views, but you post it anyway. Typical.
 
Amazer said:
As usual you want to continue enjoying the benefits of something that's only open to members of the EU. It would almost seem like you didn't think this whole Brexit thing through properly.
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Don't you understand the concept of mutual benefit? We're offering the EU the option of benefitting from our expertise in crime fighting and anti-terror, but they're too petulant to accept.
 
ceptimus said:
We don't want to leave the European Arrest Warrant. It's the EU in the shape of Michael Barnier that is threatening to kick us out and make everyone less safe. Understandable that he thinks threats to the UK are more important right now than the safety of EU citizens.
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Some brexiteers say that they voted to take back control or souvereignty. How does extraditing UK subjects on the mere request of a foreign police force fit with being a fully souvereign nation?
 
ceptimus said:
Let me guess why. Because that's what the EU says, and you accept all EU pronouncements as if they were some kind of natural law?
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It is one of the conditions of the EAW scheme which relies on absolute alignment of laws. So either the whole of the EU submits to UK authority (which isn't going to happen) or vice versa.

The alternative would be to have an extradition scheme modelled on the EAW but then that wouldn't be the EAW and would take a significant period of time to agree and set up.
 
ceptimus said:
Let me guess why. Because that's what the EU says, and you accept all EU pronouncements as if they were some kind of natural law?
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The EAW is an EU procedure. The EU is quite within its rights to say it's only available to those who follow EU law in all related areas, and that countries who don't adhere to EU law shouldn't be allowed to use it. Since it's part of EU law, then it is in fact literally true that it is what the EU says it is; that's how laws are defined. If it were "some kind of natural law" then it would be independent of what the EU said.

Dave
 
ceptimus said:
Don't you understand the concept of mutual benefit? We're offering the EU the option of benefitting from our expertise in crime fighting and anti-terror, but they're too petulant to accept.
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Perhaps what you consider a benefit to the EU is not considered much of a benefit by the EU, once the UK is out of the EU?
Or perhaps there is no way to make the EAW work (properly) with third countries?
Or it could be that they are petulant... but in my view this reason is way down the list of possibilities.


ceptimus said:
Let me guess why. Because that's what the EU says, and you accept all EU pronouncements as if they were some kind of natural law?
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You'd guess wrong.
 
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